shrader Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 I think it's a fair placement. Outside of Werenski who was an absolute stud this year, you're not seeing many non-playoff teams on that list. So that type of recognition given how bad the team was, it means something. 3 1 Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 Just think of how many more votes he'd receive if he was on a good team with a good D partner. 1 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 17 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Just think of how many more votes he'd receive if he was on a good team with a good D partner. Just make the playoffs and he's 4th last season. Hughes, Werenski, and Makar had fantastic statistical years. Quote
GASabresIUFAN Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 5 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Just make the playoffs and he's 4th last season. Hughes, Werenski, and Makar had fantastic statistical years. I'd venture he'd have been top 3 because his counting stats would also go up on a better team. 1 Quote
Weave Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: Just make the playoffs and he's 4th last season. Hughes, Werenski, and Makar had fantastic statistical years. Im not so sure. He didn’t get a single 1st or 2nd place vote. I don’t know that he moves up much when only 4 voters thought enough of him to place him in 3rd on their ballots. 1 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 11 minutes ago, Weave said: Im not so sure. He didn’t get a single 1st or 2nd place vote. I don’t know that he moves up much when only 4 voters thought enough of him to place him in 3rd on their ballots. He had more points than Hedman or Morrissey. If the Sabres had somehow made the playoffs after 13 seasons, with the team going something like 0-11 with Dahlin out of the lineup, he'd at least have been 4th. And he'd have gotten Hart votes as well. Quote
Weave Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 3 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said: He had more points than Hedman or Morrissey. If the Sabres had somehow made the playoffs after 13 seasons, with the team going something like 0-11 with Dahlin out of the lineup, he'd at least have been 4th. And he'd have gotten Hart votes as well. Ok. Your opinion is different than mine. I don’t see Dahlins points in the Norris voting more than doubling if the team made the playoffs. I just don’t. Quote
ponokasabre Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 I truly think he will win one if not multiple of these If he was healthy all year he may have been in the top 3 Get him and Power consistent defensive partners and Dahlin could win this next year Quote
HumanSlinky39 Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 Seems about right. Good season for Rasmus. If only he had more help. Quote
LGR4GM Posted June 11 Author Report Posted June 11 1 hour ago, ponokasabre said: I truly think he will win one if not multiple of these If he was healthy all year he may have been in the top 3 Get him and Power consistent defensive partners and Dahlin could win this next year Dahlin is the best defender in his own zone on the team. You can partner him with anyone competent. Quote
inkman Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 18 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: Dahlin is the best defender in his own zone on the team. You can partner him with anyone competent. He’s definitely proven himself. It also seems like he’s cut down on the absolute inexcusable turnovers that directly lead to opponent goals. He’s still good for one every game or two but I suppose if he’s playing 30 minutes a night, it’s bound to happen occasionally. Quote
steveoath Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 23 minutes ago, TheAud said: Bryson get any votes? Voted off the island on episode 1. 1 Quote
inkman Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 37 minutes ago, TheAud said: Bryson get any votes? Shawn Bryson is more likely to get voted over Jacob. 1 Quote
Pimlach Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 (edited) 8 hours ago, shrader said: I think it's a fair placement. Outside of Werenski who was an absolute stud this year, you're not seeing many non-playoff teams on that list. So that type of recognition given how bad the team was, it means something. Dahlin was ahead ahead of Morrissey in every stat category but games played. Morrissey played on a strong team, and not in Buffalo. I would argue that Dahlin's defensive game, and his physical game is similar to Hedman and better than all of the others. But no one cares who got 2nd or 3rd. Dahlin's only hope at winning a Norris is to play on better and dominant team. 3 hours ago, TheAud said: Bryson get any votes? He won most congenial 7th defender. Edited June 11 by Pimlach 1 Quote
TheAud Posted June 11 Report Posted June 11 46 minutes ago, inkman said: Shawn Bryson is more likely to get voted over Jacob. He had breakaway speed before the last knee injury 21 minutes ago, Pimlach said: He won most congenial 7th defender. That's his value add Quote
Pimlach Posted June 12 Report Posted June 12 2 hours ago, TheAud said: That's his value add Yes, direct quote from Adams is that Bryson is loved in the locker room, he sits out for weeks at a time and does not complain. So he got extended. Quote
Taro T Posted June 12 Report Posted June 12 32 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Yes, direct quote from Adams is that Bryson is loved in the locker room, he sits out for weeks at a time and does not complain. So he got extended. Yep. And honestly don't have a problem with Bryson being the guy in the press box while Johnson and Novikov continue to ripen. And wouldn't have a problem with some other 6/7 tweener being the guy in the press box while Johnson and Novikov continue to ripen. If he plays more than 15 games as the 6, have a problem with it. Otherwise, meh. Quote
Thorny Posted June 13 Report Posted June 13 lol Morrissey is a fraud - - - 6th is really good tbh considering the tire fire the sabres are. Conjures Eichel 8th in mvp voting vibes and we’ve seen what happens when guys like JE and Sam Reinhart blossom on good teams. My guess is Dahlin would have been nominated if we made the playoffs 1 Quote
DarthEbriate Posted June 13 Report Posted June 13 On 6/11/2025 at 5:35 PM, Taro T said: Yep. And honestly don't have a problem with Bryson being the guy in the press box while Johnson and Novikov continue to ripen. And wouldn't have a problem with some other 6/7 tweener being the guy in the press box while Johnson and Novikov continue to ripen. If he plays more than 15 games as the 6, have a problem with it. Otherwise, meh. Bryson's games played by season in his career: 38, 73, 59, 36, 48. He's currently the 7D, which plays a ton more than 15 games per season barring incredible team health. (This team employs Samuelsson.) 1 Quote
mjd1001 Posted 5 hours ago Report Posted 5 hours ago Just looking over some stats regarding Dahlin this past season: -When Dahlin was on the ice, the Team was a +33 in goal differential (+20 in 5-on-5) -When Dahlin wasn't out there, the team was -53 in goal differential (-19 in 5-on-5) Thats not short term, that is over the entire season. When the guy is on the ice, they are a very good team. The difference in goal differential with him out there vs not out there is 86 goals over the season. For comparison, Cale Makar has a 57 goal differential with him out there vs not. For Werenski it was 42. For Quinn Hughes it was 90. For Morrisey it was 20. I think the difference in goals on-vs-off the ice is exaggerated a bit for the bad teams compared to the better teams but still, the Goal differential with him on the ice vs off the ice is the 2nd highest in the league among D-men...and he might have passed Hughes for the highest if he didn't miss those games in the middle of the season. 3 Quote
Archie Lee Posted 4 hours ago Report Posted 4 hours ago 15 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: Just looking over some stats regarding Dahlin this past season: -When Dahlin was on the ice, the Team was a +33 in goal differential (+20 in 5-on-5) -When Dahlin wasn't out there, the team was -53 in goal differential (-19 in 5-on-5) Thats not short term, that is over the entire season. When the guy is on the ice, they are a very good team. The difference in goal differential with him out there vs not out there is 86 goals over the season. For comparison, Cale Makar has a 57 goal differential with him out there vs not. For Werenski it was 42. For Quinn Hughes it was 90. For Morrisey it was 20. I think the difference in goals on-vs-off the ice is exaggerated a bit for the bad teams compared to the better teams but still, the Goal differential with him on the ice vs off the ice is the 2nd highest in the league among D-men...and he might have passed Hughes for the highest if he didn't miss those games in the middle of the season. This is just my opinion, but I think this speaks more to how good Dahlin is than it does to how bad the rest of the D is. Dahlin is elite. The rest of the D, mostly, would thrive or be fine in a better system. Dahlin is so good that he rises above; put him on a contender and he is maybe the best there is. It cannot be overstated, how much Dahlin's talent is being wasted. 1 1 Quote
dudacek Posted 3 hours ago Report Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Archie Lee said: This is just my opinion, but I think this speaks more to how good Dahlin is than it does to how bad the rest of the D is. Dahlin is elite. The rest of the D, mostly, would thrive or be fine in a better system. Dahlin is so good that he rises above; put him on a contender and he is maybe the best there is. It cannot be overstated, how much Dahlin's talent is being wasted. Yep. The hype ain't there because of the Buffalo stink. But in my opinion Dahlin was — at worst — the number 4 D in hockey last year when you look at all the measurables. It's really a shame they've failed to build around that. It's Eichel all over again. 3 Quote
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