Chad D: expect a Byram trade at or around the draft

[ponokasabre]

2 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

See this is where I think Adams fails. He calls around, gets other teams offers and doesn't make strong enough counter offers. 

Im hoping thats where Jarmo can help, cause he will know how teams tick and where teams can be pushed or not, I am more confident in this with him there

 

 

[GASabresIUFAN]

5 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

See this is where I think Adams fails. He calls around, gets other teams offers and doesn't make strong enough counter offers. 

Adams fails because he has no f-ing idea how to build and manage a team.  He should be selling shoes at a Mall Florsheim store. (Not that there is anything wrong with that).

Edited yesterday at 04:15 PM by GASabresIUFAN

[DarthEbriate]

There's a Star Wars meme... someone else who does memes can generate it.

 

Padme: That's a 1st round pick. Plus.

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Padme: That's a 1st round pick plus, right? Sheevyn?

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Edit: Yup. Someone replace Anakin's smirk with Adams' smarmy press conference smirk and we're on to something.

Edited yesterday at 04:49 PM by DarthEbriate

[The Jokeman]

25 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

Yes but I just have no interest in us getting younger and adding a player who isnt ready. If Byram is going an older more established defensive defensman needs to replace him

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/chicago-blackhawks/latest-news/sam-rinzel-is-playing-well-beyond-his-years-with-blackhawks

[LGR4GM]

If Adams can trade top 4 defender Byram for a late first, why the ***** can't he trade 9oa for a top 4 defender?

[Pimlach]

46 minutes ago, dudacek said:

Byram for a late 1st would be a great deal for whoever is getting Byram 

My point.   Another trade proposal that keep us young and not competitive. 

If I am Dahlin or Tage and he trades Byram for a late first (and even with a throw in) I am calling my agent, I just caught the "don't wanna be here disease". 

[ponokasabre]

16 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/chicago-blackhawks/latest-news/sam-rinzel-is-playing-well-beyond-his-years-with-blackhawks

 

I mean ya, he sounds like an amazing player, I doubt Chicago would move him though, as it sounds like he is gonna be a big part of there future

[oddoublee]

The only way a late first will work for me, personally, is if a solid vet comes back with some term. 

Wonder if SJ or Chicago have any late 20's early 30's players with 2 years left that don't fit there immediate plans...

[oddoublee]

Toffoli or Coutre?

Bertuzzi or Teravainen?

[thewookie1]

My guess was Ferraro + DAL's 1st and a 4th in '26 for Byram

https://puckgm.puckpedia.com/rosters/641379

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

In his latest pod, Chad says he's "pretty confident they have decided what they are doing there."

He said the Sabres have had the necessary conversations and established the market and the interested suitors. Now it's just about deciding which offer to pursue and cementing the deal. They want this off their plate early to clear the decks for whatever comes next.

According to Chad, the Sabres have talked to teams that have multiple 1sts and told them a late 1st is something they would consider in exchange.

He's says that's not necessarily the return we should expect, but implied their priority with this deal is gathering assets and creating flexibility for other moves.

 

A late first for Byram makes no sense in isolation. They might as well wait for an offer sheet and if that does not come you just pay him for another year or 2. Once an offer comes in above 4.7 you get a first and a third. It won't be this years but chances are it will be a mid to late round 1st. I really can't see Adams not getting a player back in a deal. He has been saying that all along. 

[sabremike]

8 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

 

A late first for Byram makes no sense in isolation. They might as well wait for an offer sheet and if that does not come you just pay him for another year or 2. Once an offer comes in above 4.7 you get a first and a third. It won't be this years but chances are it will be a mid to late round 1st. I really can't see Adams not getting a player back in a deal. He has been saying that all along. 

Adams is a historically bad GM so I absolutely can see him not getting an actual player back in a Byram deal.

[Drag0nDan]

2 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

 

A late first for Byram makes no sense in isolation. They might as well wait for an offer sheet and if that does not come you just pay him for another year or 2. Once an offer comes in above 4.7 you get a first and a third. It won't be this years but chances are it will be a mid to late round 1st. I really can't see Adams not getting a player back in a deal. He has been saying that all along. 

But then you're hanging onto an asset because you aren't getting the offer you want, and limiting what you can build from a roster perspective.  If you've decided on power, move byram to a team that will accomodate his contract demands.  A 1st round pick is a trade asset - gives you a first back if you move #9, or trade ammo to try and find a RHD.  

[DarthEbriate]

1 minute ago, sabremike said:

Adams is a historically bad GM so I absolutely can see him not getting an actual player back in a Byram deal.

Think about the futures! Just ship out the old core for the new McKenna tank.

[inkman]

16 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

The only way a late first will work for me, personally, is if a solid vet comes back with some term. 

Wonder if SJ or Chicago have any late 20's early 30's players with 2 years left that don't fit there immediate plans...

I think we can drop the “with term” or “contract extension” from any of these discussions. Of course you only want a player in return that has term or is willing to sign with the Sabres. Do the Sabres have a penchant for not doing that?  It’s just a weird stipulation that would be mandated in almost any deal. 

[LGR4GM]

Byram is the 35th highest scoring defender in the NHL this past year with basically 0 pp time and he's only worth a late 1st round pick? If that's the case we should trade a late first for Brock Faber. I'm being sarcastic but wtf are we doing here?

[Ctaeth]

Im not going to overreact to this one until exact details of a trade become available.  Byram for a late first is a bad trade.  Hopefully they would be getting more for him than that

[dudacek]

8 minutes ago, Jorcus said:

 

A late first for Byram makes no sense in isolation. They might as well wait for an offer sheet and if that does not come you just pay him for another year or 2. Once an offer comes in above 4.7 you get a first and a third. It won't be this years but chances are it will be a mid to late round 1st. I really can't see Adams not getting a player back in a deal. He has been saying that all along. 

This makes me feel a little better. The offer sheet compensation pretty much sets a floor for the return at higher than “just” a first so Adams would be foolish to accept that.

Byram wants at least $7M which is a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

A 1st plus Murphy from the Hawks, Ferraro from the Sharks (Risto from the Flyers 😘)

Still not great trades, but better value.

[JoeSchmoe]

If the big timers like Friedman and Dreger are rarely right on this stuff, I'm guessing Chad doesn't know 💩.

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, LGR4GM said:

Byram is the 35th highest scoring defender in the NHL this past year with basically 0 pp time and he's only worth a late 1st round pick? If that's the case we should trade a late first for Brock Faber. I'm being sarcastic but wtf are we doing here?

I think the challenge i see is the limited suitors - like truly how many teams need a player like him?  With the state of this franchise I assume buffalo is a no on most peoples trade destinations, so you have to let some of the roster chips fall around Buffalo before they can try and make a player trade here.  

[Taro T]

2 hours ago, bob_sauve28 said:

I think that would be awful! That's a rebuilding move 

In and of itself.  Absolutely.

BUT IF either the pick you get back (preferably) or the Sabres pick along with, say, Peterka gets you Robertson AND something else useful comes back for Byram then it doesn't necessarsily have to be a rebuilding move.

Unfortunately, Adams to date has not demonstrated an abilty to work multiple moves to alter the current roster's makeup without diminishing the current roster.

So, maybe it ends up another friggin' rebuilding move.  

And realize (and have for a couple of months) that Byram is as good as gone, but absolutely hate that idea.  We suffered all the Mittelstadt growing pains to bring in a high ceiling D that would be still suffering his own growing pains while a Sabre; and JUST when we finally get close to the point that he should start being the player he'll be in his prime, they trade him away.

BTW, agree with those saying a late 1st is in no way commensurate with the value Byram SHOULD bring.  There'd have to be another GOOD piece involved in that theoretical trade.

[French Collection]

I agree that Chicago and San Jose are targets. Byram would have the opportunity to become their PP1 Dman and get tons of minutes.

He has a lot of value to other teams without a #1 offensive Dman, Cup winner, draft pedigree, decent offense without PP time and he is still young.

[oddoublee]

28 minutes ago, inkman said:

I think we can drop the “with term” or “contract extension” from any of these discussions. Of course you only want a player in return that has term or is willing to sign with the Sabres. Do the Sabres have a penchant for not doing that?  It’s just a weird stipulation that would be mandated in almost any deal. 

Why drop it? I don't want a player with one year left. That's my stipulation. If they get a player with one year, that will disappoint me. Not understanding your disapproval with this.

[ponokasabre]

8 minutes ago, French Collection said:

I agree that Chicago and San Jose are targets. Byram would have the opportunity to become their PP1 Dman and get tons of minutes.

He has a lot of value to other teams without a #1 offensive Dman, Cup winner, draft pedigree, decent offense without PP time and he is still young.

Ya I mean this just screams San Jose, if they walk away with Misa at 2 and then add Byram for there defense thats a great start to an off season for them

[inkman]

4 minutes ago, oddoublee said:

Why drop it? I don't want a player with one year left. That's my stipulation. If they get a player with one year, that will disappoint me. Not understanding your disapproval with this.

Because it’s not going to happen.  Ever. Players with no term are rentals. They get dealt at the trade deadline. I know everyone thinks Adams is a buffoon but I have a hard time thinking he would even entertain the idea, especially with how much he’s top toed around this roster.