Happy Annual Leafs Elimination Day

[thewookie1]

2 hours ago, JoeSchmoe said:

And another thing... There's no shortage of players around the league that hate Toronto as much as some of us do. It's a real thing... Join the team!

https://torontosun.com/2014/07/01/josh-gorges-trade-the-ultimate-insult-to-maple-leafs

PS- this Toronto sportswriter called Buffalo the "armpit" of America. As someone who lives about halfway between the two I can confirm the body odour is not coming from the Queen City, but rather from the other side.

A lot of the hate we have for the Leafs stems from stuff like this that aren’t even on the ice. 

[JoeSchmoe]

36 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

We live in northern Niagara county, right near Lake Ontario. You can see downtown Toronto clearly across the lake, and even coming down the hill Toward Lewiston it is clearly visible. Crystal clear high def hockey night in canada broadcasts with an antenna, no problem getting 590 sports talk out of Toronto...etc.

Now I'm not saying Toronto is a worse city than Buffalo..it is many times Bigger, tons of money, etc. But we took a trip to Toronto last weekend, and wow, my wife said she had enough and doesn't want to go back for a long time. Getting around is a nightmare.  Downtown is a disaster, on the weekend (not weekday rush hour) we sat and sat and inched up on Lakeshore Blvd just trying to get anywhere near downtown. A bit farther outside the city...you can deal with some traffic on 407 if you want to pay something like $40+ in tolls for a trip across the city.  The 401?  Mid day (not rush hour), no accidents, yet it was stop and go for MILES, and when you were going it was 20mph (worse than any memories I had of driving on the Cross Bronx expressway).  And go to their 'fast' growing areas like Markham and Vaughan (we spent most of our time near in Vaughan or downtown) and you get terrible surface road traffic, and its just strip plaza after strip plaza..then a few big gray warehouses to break up the strip plazas, and then a lot of parking lots and 'floor tile' warehouse/showrooms.

Again, I'm not trying to bash Toronto, but my wife grew up in NY city and still visits friends/relatives there, and this trip to Toronto (and the outer parts of the city)...lets just say she doesn't have a high regard to her former home in NY city anymore, but what we saw of 'day to day' living in the GTA I think is even a bit lower.

You're right, it's not good there.

It also is fast losing its character. It used to have some pretty cool neighbourhoods to visit. I find they're all a shadow of what they used to be.

The tear down everything to build condos has killed the city badly.

Replacing what few legacy restaurants and ma & pa stores that are left with chain stores and rando crap restaurants that won't stay open more than a year or two also doesn't help.

The other thing I often think about is almost every city has some food and cultural thing they're famous for. Toronto has nothing to call their own. Buffalo on the other hand is known worldwide for their wings, and on a lesser basis, beef on weck. Some will say Toronto has hockey, but I think hockey is much more ingrained in Montreal culture. 

Other than that, you have a city that's trying super hard to be important on a world stage, but through all the pretentiousness, fails to establish a real identity.

[GoPuckYourself]

3 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

A lot of the hate we have for the Leafs stems from stuff like this that aren’t even on the ice. 

Have you ever gone to a Sabres/Toronto game here at home? They act like complete douchbags and it's even worse now that we're trash and can't even do anything about it. It stems from their fans coming into our building and acting like tools. If you've never gone to a game against the leafs at home, you'll come back with a different attitude. 

[Sabres Fan in NS]

13 hours ago, mjd1001 said:

We live in northern Niagara county, right near Lake Ontario. You can see downtown Toronto clearly across the lake, and even coming down the hill Toward Lewiston it is clearly visible. Crystal clear high def hockey night in canada broadcasts with an antenna, no problem getting 590 sports talk out of Toronto...etc.

Now I'm not saying Toronto is a worse city than Buffalo..it is many times Bigger, tons of money, etc. But we took a trip to Toronto last weekend, and wow, my wife said she had enough and doesn't want to go back for a long time. Getting around is a nightmare.  Downtown is a disaster, on the weekend (not weekday rush hour) we sat and sat and inched up on Lakeshore Blvd just trying to get anywhere near downtown. A bit farther outside the city...you can deal with some traffic on 407 if you want to pay something like $40+ in tolls for a trip across the city.  The 401?  Mid day (not rush hour), no accidents, yet it was stop and go for MILES, and when you were going it was 20mph (worse than any memories I had of driving on the Cross Bronx expressway).  And go to their 'fast' growing areas like Markham and Vaughan (we spent most of our time near in Vaughan or downtown) and you get terrible surface road traffic, and its just strip plaza after strip plaza..then a few big gray warehouses to break up the strip plazas, and then a lot of parking lots and 'floor tile' warehouse/showrooms.

Again, I'm not trying to bash Toronto, but my wife grew up in NY city and still visits friends/relatives there, and this trip to Toronto (and the outer parts of the city)...lets just say she doesn't have a high regard to her former home in NY city anymore, but what we saw of 'day to day' living in the GTA I think is even a bit lower.

We in Halifax and any other place in Canada don't call it The Great Satan for nothing.  I grew up in Toronto and my feelings on it are well known, but the NHL team known as The Great Satan Leaves has nothing to do with it.

[Demoted]

19 hours ago, Alaska John said:

OK, the Leafs suck, love watching them lose, yada yada yada.  I feel the same way.  But at least they make the playoffs.  Until we do too, this is all a little embarrassing.  

Embarrassing? The fans aren't the ones playing the games. So how could it be Embarrassing making fun of a team that cannot get to the second round?

 

Imagine being embarrassed over something that you have no control over... weird.

Edited May 7 by Demoted

[inkman]

25 minutes ago, Demoted said:

Embarrassing? The fans aren't the ones playing the games. So how could it be Embarrassing making fun of a team that cannot get to the second round?

 

Imagine being embarrassed over something that you have no control over... weird.

Imagine making fun of a team who gets farther than your team every year, has better players and has better fans.  Imagine that.  

[Demoted]

2 hours ago, inkman said:

Imagine making fun of a team who gets farther than your team every year, has better players and has better fans.  Imagine that.  

Fans have nothing to do with the teams themselves or how the teams do in the playoffs. So again you are just being weird.

It's like being angry that some people make fun of bad TV shows as if they were the ones who created it.

Edited May 7 by Demoted

[inkman]

1 hour ago, Demoted said:

Fans have nothing to do with the teams themselves or how the teams do in the playoffs. So again you are just being weird.

It's like being angry that some people make fun of bad TV shows as if they were the ones who created it.

Actually, it’s like the people who made one of the worst TV shows in history, making fun of a show that got canceled after 7 seasons.  
 

Trying to rationalize this as just having an objective opinion of a failed franchise is pathetic.  
 

The Leafs are better than the Sabres. You have no leg to stand on.  People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.  How many more cliches do I need to reference?  

[SwampD]

4 hours ago, Demoted said:

Embarrassing? The fans aren't the ones playing the games. So how could it be Embarrassing making fun of a team that cannot get to the second round?

 

Imagine being embarrassed over something that you have no control over... weird.

Fans may have nothing to do with the outcome, but their reactions to the outcome can be (and often are) very embarrassing.

[JoeSchmoe]

23 minutes ago, inkman said:

Actually, it’s like the people who made one of the worst TV shows in history, making fun of a show that got canceled after 7 seasons.  
 

Trying to rationalize this as just having an objective opinion of a failed franchise is pathetic.  
 

The Leafs are better than the Sabres. You have no leg to stand on.  People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.  How many more cliches do I need to reference?  

Sabres fans live in mud huts, and we'll throw sticks, stones, or whatever else makes us feel better! Leafs suck!

[PASabreFan]

Has any fan base cheered the Sabres' demise?

I'm not sure the Sabres have ever been any team's chief rival.

[SwampD]

27 minutes ago, PASabreFan said:

Has any fan base cheered the Sabres' demise?

I'm not sure the Sabres have ever been any team's chief rival.

Carolina. And similarly, it's because of the fans, not anything on the ice. 

Edited May 7 by SwampD

[PASabreFan]

10 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Carolina. And similarly, it's because of the fans, not anything on the ice. 

You mean like in 2007 when Ottawa knocked us out? Of course they were cheering against us in 06.

[Night Train]

 Obviously a fun thread in jest.  Leaf fans are obnoxious.  I get the Sabres and their failures. 

 But feel free to chastise and scold people on the internet. That's always a winning move, Mr. Mom. 

[Demoted]

1 hour ago, SwampD said:

Fans may have nothing to do with the outcome, but their reactions to the outcome can be (and often are) very embarrassing.

Not really b.c they are reacting to the entertainment. 

 

1 hour ago, inkman said:

Actually, it’s like the people who made one of the worst TV shows in history, making fun of a show that got canceled after 7 seasons.  
 

Trying to rationalize this as just having an objective opinion of a failed franchise is pathetic.  
 

The Leafs are better than the Sabres. You have no leg to stand on.  People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.  How many more cliches do I need to reference?  

I don't play for the Sabres so I can stand on both legs. There is only one thing that is pathetic and it's the guy who keeps coming here to get angry at others b.c they hate themselves and their team. It's entertainment, get over it.

You must hate that I don't get angry about the Sabres being bad. I make fun of them for being a horrible franchise but this is all in good fun in the end. Maybe take things that you cannot control a little less serious.

Edited May 7 by Demoted

[JujuFish]

1 hour ago, JoeSchmoe said:

Sabres fans live in mud huts, and we'll throw sticks, stones, or whatever else makes us feel better! Leafs suck!

Speak for yourself.

 

Some of us live in glass houses, thank you very much!

[French Collection]

Leafs fans are not better, just more numerous.

Many of them are also delusional about planning a parade every year.

[Weave]

1 minute ago, French Collection said:

Leafs fans are not better, just more numerous.

Many of them are also delusional about planning a parade every year.

I bet a real close comparison fan-wise is Bills fans to Leafs fans.

[French Collection]

1 minute ago, Weave said:

I bet a real close comparison fan-wise is Bills fans to Leafs fans.

Tough one for me as I don’t really follow the NFL but the Bills have been a good team recently with a shot at winning it all from what I know.

[SABRES 0311]

On 5/6/2024 at 9:12 AM, Alaska John said:

OK, the Leafs suck, love watching them lose, yada yada yada.  I feel the same way.  But at least they make the playoffs.  Until we do too, this is all a little embarrassing.  

It’s not embarrassing it’s sports fandom. They’re a rival team and no matter good or bad the Sabres play it’s always fun to see the Leafs lose.

Now if a member of the Sabres organization publicly rejoiced that would be different.

[SwampD]

27 minutes ago, Demoted said:

Not really b.c they are reacting to the entertainment. 

 

I don't play for the Sabres so I can stand on both legs. There is only one thing that is pathetic and it's the guy who keeps coming here to get angry at others b.c they hate themselves and their team. It's entertainment, get over it.

You must hate that I don't get angry about the Sabres being bad. I make fun of them for being a horrible franchise but this is all in good fun in the end. Maybe take things that you cannot control a little less serious.

Oh, the irony.

[Demoted]

8 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Oh, the irony.

***** I am having fun with these serious people.

[PerreaultForever]

Quenneville and Berube talk coming out of Leaf land. Also might be the end of Shanahan. 

3 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Has any fan base cheered the Sabres' demise?

I'm not sure the Sabres have ever been any team's chief rival.

I don't think so. Closest thing would be during the French Connection years Montreal-Sabres became a pretty real thing for a few years but not to the extent of say the Bruins-Habs or the Habs-Nordiques. 

imo Toronto should be the rival and maybe it can be if we ever get good again. 

[Thorny]

5 hours ago, inkman said:

Actually, it’s like the people who made one of the worst TV shows in history, making fun of a show that got canceled after 7 seasons.  
 

Trying to rationalize this as just having an objective opinion of a failed franchise is pathetic.  
 

The Leafs are better than the Sabres. You have no leg to stand on.  People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.  How many more cliches do I need to reference?  

They’ve finished ahead of us 8 years in a row and 11 of the 13 years we missed 

4 hours ago, PASabreFan said:

Has any fan base cheered the Sabres' demise?

I'm not sure the Sabres have ever been any team's chief rival.

Greatness inspires envy. Envy inspires hate 

[PerreaultForever]

4 minutes ago, Thorny said:

They’ve finished ahead of us 8 years in a row and 11 of the 13 years we missed 

Greatness inspires envy. Envy inspires hate 

That's not it at all. It should be simple geography.