Rd 1, Pick 13: Zach Benson

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

"Quickly on the bold, if this means the World Jrs than no they did not. Kulich won a silver medal. If it means the World Championship, Kulich wasn't there. "

 

The Point is they are scoring at a High level where they are. Exact same thing Quinn and Peterka did after 1 year at Amerks. Sabres missed playoffs by 2 pts after being key contributors on top 3 lines. You could say Kulich has done better than both.

 

https://www.amerks.com/news/detail/kulich-rosen-returning-to-rochester-following-world-juniors

You have no idea what you are talking about. 

Jack Quinn AHL: 45games 26g 35a 61pts = 1.356 pts per game

JJ Peterka AHL: 70games 28g 40a 68pts = 0.971 pts per game

Isak Rosen AHL: 66games 14g 23a 37pts = 0.561 pts per game

Jiri Kulich AHL: 62games 24g 22a 46pts = 0.742 pts per game

Rosek and Kulich have not even reached the level of JJP and Quinn at the AHL level and you are in here RANTING about how they are the exact same and screaming about the World Juniors. It isn't the same, they are not ready, they will not be in Buffalo in the 2023 season unless it is really late in the year for a cup of coffee. 

[Cascade Youth]

Isaak Rosen's mother has entered the chat.

[PASabreFan]

I love LGR suddenly discovering apples and oranges.

[TRIP65]

42 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

That literally cannot happen. It is against the rules. 

The Sabres have 14million in capspace, they can easily afford to re-sign Mittelstadt. Hell, you can give him Olofsson's money and trade Olofsson and the capspace doesn't even change. 

CHL Expeditions before. Marty Biron stated there is a path, has to do with Savoie playing first 9-10 games with Sabres, he then can go to Amerks for Conditioning Assignment, goes back to minors then. Biron said he then could permanently go to the Amerks before end of year. Just stated this I believe in Yesterday's Podcast of Sabres Live.

As for Cap Space, Dahlin is going to eat up a lot this year with 11+ million long term contract shortly. Powers Might get full contract too but most likely a Bridge Contract. Soon will have to up all the young talent Contracts too of Quinn, Peterka, Levi, etc....

There will be no long term contract for Middlestat, next contract for Middlesat would be minimum 6+ mil/yr

 

[TRIP65]

1 hour ago, Curt said:

Nice quotes.  I absolutely agree that he is a good and improving prospect.

However, as a smaller offense first winger, his production alone tells me that he isn’t quite ready for the NHL.  He needs to continue to gain muscle and work on his game.

I don’t believe that his upside is as great as Savoie or Benson’s.

He is 5'11" with the same skating, passing and scoring skills. His frame can get to 200#'s.

 

Quinn now will lose 6 months time Achilles Injury

 

[Zamboni]

Dahlin will not be 11+ mil. He won’t.

 

Quinn will not be out 6 months. 6 months is December 29th.
 

I bet he’s back on the ice by November.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Zamboni

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

CHL Expeditions before. Marty Biron stated there is a path, has to do with Savoie playing first 9-10 games with Sabres, he then can go to Amerks for Conditioning Assignment, goes back to minors then. Biron said he then could permanently go to the Amerks before end of year. Just stated this I believe in Yesterday's Podcast of Sabres Live.

As for Cap Space, Dahlin is going to eat up a lot this year with 11+ million long term contract shortly. Powers Might get full contract too but most likely a Bridge Contract. Soon will have to up all the young talent Contracts too of Quinn, Peterka, Levi, etc....

There will be no long term contract for Middlestat, next contract for Middlesat would be minimum 6+ mil/yr

 

Please stop. That is not what Marty said. He said that they could put Savoie in Buffalo for a 9 games, then send him to a conditioning stint, then send him to the WJC which he would have to make the team for. After that he would have to go back to jrs from January until his team is eliminated from the WHL playoffs, which means April. That's what he said. So sure if the WHL team gets eliminated he can go for whatever is left of the AHL playoff season sometime in most likely late April. 

 

4 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

As for Cap Space, Dahlin is going to eat up a lot this year with 11+ million long term contract shortly. Powers Might get full contract too but most likely a Bridge Contract. Soon will have to up all the young talent Contracts too of Quinn, Peterka, Levi, etc....

There will be no long term contract for Middlestat, next contract for Middlesat would be minimum 6+ mil/yr

 

Sigh, none of this is accurate. 

[TRIP65]

52 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

And Krebs was dominant in juniors and captained Canada's U18 squad and scored at a point per game in the AHL playoffs, too (granted all assists). Mitts was dynamic for USA at the Worlds. They're all excellent players at the junior/international level.

Not all Great at AHL level, Krebs has struggled there

[Doohickie]

11 hours ago, Derrico said:

"...he’s probably the best leader I ever played for." 

Pretty high praise for Krebs and it's really pretty interesting that leadership/character seems to be just as important as talent to Kevyn.  That's how you build a locker room culture.

[TRIP65]

29 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I know For A Fact! that Kevyn Adams loves Casey Mittelstadt and Peyton Krebs 🙄

Taking a Player at 14th pick just a few years ago with Power means Adams Loves him to fit in current Roster he is building. Neither Krebs or Middlestat are Adam picks.

Middlestat was a 2nd center and failed past Regime. Fine player but he will be too expensive when you have guys like Savoie, Benson, Rosen, Rousek, Kulich and even Krebs for that matter in the wing. Krebs is a fine player but yet has proved he can generate enough PTS and he can't play Wing.

So who goes? Have Jost and Greenway too, Adams traded for both. Still have Victor Olfosson with 28 goals. Remove that how far off are you from Playoffs? Who gets the 28 goals for sure???

 

Quinn will be out till Midseason now, Achilles.

[PerreaultForever]

9 hours ago, dudacek said:

I acknowledge the truth in what you are saying here: we don’t seem to have many Mike Griers or Marcus Folignos in the pipeline and guys like that are needed.

However, it would be a mistake to think this means the guys we are collecting can’t battle or play defence. Benson, for example, gets in the dirty areas, and is considered one of the top defensive players in the Western Hockey League. By and large, the high pick forward we have taken are diligent, smart and brave and should become as capable of playing playoff hockey as the Yanni Gourdes and Ondrej Palats.

Besides, guys like Foligno and Grier aren’t typically getting taken in the 1st round. You hope the Kozaks and Novikovs can provide some of that.

It's possible, but to the bold, that's at the junior level. The question will linger as to how he will manage that against NHL D. These type of guys have skill but the Briere type strength and grit is a rarer commodity. So the little guys always raise questions. I feel more confidant when they draft more size along with a level of skill. 

[dudacek]

16 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Not all Great at AHL level, Krebs has struggled there

Yes, Krebs point a game = struggling

Rosen a little over 1/2 a point per game = NHL ready.

[TRIP65]

30 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

They don't play in the same league! This is like arguing that Benson is better than Tage Thompson. 

No he didn't. The WJC20 is what you are talking about and Kulich got a Silver medal. 

"They don't play in the same league! This is like arguing that Benson is better than Tage Thompson. "

 

Wow so a Minor League player comparison to a Top 10 Center in the NHL is the same as comparing

a player Krebs with 30 PTS to Player in AHL with more points then Krebs that has gone deep in the Playoffs????

[kas23]

9 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

 

So who goes? Have Jost and Greenway too, Adams traded for both. Still have Victor Olfosson with 28 goals. Remove that how far off are you from Playoffs? Who gets the 28 goals for sure???

 

Quinn will be out till Midseason now, Achilles.

Another “fact” this is untrue. Are you going for a record?

 

That, plus Adams really doesn’t seem like the type of guy who won’t like a player because he didn’t personally draft him. In fact, the same people who wanted Mitts are still with the team. Adams builds a consensus, not dictates. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by kas23

[DarthEbriate]

17 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Not all Great at AHL level, Krebs has struggled there

He's a point-per-game AHLer including time shuffling back and forth for Vegas while still rounding back into form from his ankle injury. And 1.1 pts/game in the playoffs. I don't see how that's struggling.

And with the Sabres, he's being asked to play a defensive/gritty center role and he made great strides at it in a single season.

I do agree with you: Rosen and Kulich have potential futures with the Sabres. But this year is not their year (even with Quinn injured). Let the kids learn to dominate in the AHL in all phases.

[nfreeman]

3 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

"They don't play in the same league! This is like arguing that Benson is better than Tage Thompson. "

 

Wow so a Minor League player comparison to a Top 10 Center in the NHL is the same as comparing

a player Krebs with 30 PTS to Player in AHL with more points then Krebs that has gone deep in the Playoffs????

You need to take a breath and stop babbling.

Make your posts worth reading.

Do not waste everyone's time like this.

[dudacek]

1 minute ago, PerreaultForever said:

It's possible, but to the bold, that's at the junior level. The question will linger as to how he will manage that against NHL D. These type of guys have skill but the Briere type strength and grit is a rarer commodity. So the little guys always raise questions. I feel more confidant when they draft more size along with a level of skill. 

Marchand? Point? Marchesseault? Patty Kane?

There’s a pretty long list of 5’10” 185 pound (ish) players who have excelled in the NHL.

That includes dead puck era hall-of-farmers lie Sakic, Yzerman and Lafontaine.

[TRIP65]

32 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

You have no idea what you are talking about. 

Jack Quinn AHL: 45games 26g 35a 61pts = 1.356 pts per game

JJ Peterka AHL: 70games 28g 40a 68pts = 0.971 pts per game

Isak Rosen AHL: 66games 14g 23a 37pts = 0.561 pts per game

Jiri Kulich AHL: 62games 24g 22a 46pts = 0.742 pts per game

Rosek and Kulich have not even reached the level of JJP and Quinn at the AHL level and you are in here RANTING about how they are the exact same and screaming about the World Juniors. It isn't the same, they are not ready, they will not be in Buffalo in the 2023 season unless it is really late in the year for a cup of coffee. 

How far has Quinn and Peterka gone in AHL playoffs?????? How many Playoff Points??????

[North Buffalo]

So Benson is a Krebs buddy as well as a Savoie teamate... interesting

[PerreaultForever]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

Marchand? Point? Marchesseault? Patty Kane?

There’s a pretty long list of 5’10” 185 pound (ish) players who have excelled in the NHL.

That includes dead puck era hall-of-farmers lie Sakic, Yzerman and Lafontaine.

Oh it's definitely possible. I'm not arguing with that or with his skill level. There's huge potential. But there's also a little uncertainty. As I said initially that's 2 years in a row where the little guy dropped in the rankings and we took him. Time will tell if our GM is smarter than those guys who passed and took the bigger guy. 

[TRIP65]

32 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Please stop. That is not what Marty said. He said that they could put Savoie in Buffalo for a 9 games, then send him to a conditioning stint, then send him to the WJC which he would have to make the team for. After that he would have to go back to jrs from January until his team is eliminated from the WHL playoffs, which means April. That's what he said. So sure if the WHL team gets eliminated he can go for whatever is left of the AHL playoff season sometime in most likely late April. 

 

Sigh, none of this is accurate. 

So Dahlin will be 10Mil/yr

And Power Bridge deal 6mil/year

Down to 8 mil and you need 4th Defensive player.

You know MATH?

 

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/dahlin-reportedly-signs-80-million-deal

 

https://sabrenoise.com/2023/06/11/options-buffalo-sabres-owen-powers-contract/

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

How far has Quinn and Peterka gone in AHL playoffs?????? How many Playoff Points??????

No dude, we are done here. 

1 minute ago, TRIP65 said:

So Dahlin will be 10Mil/yr

And Power Bridge deal 6mil/year

Down to 8 mil and you need 4th Defensive player.

You know MATH?

 

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/dahlin-reportedly-signs-80-million-deal

 

https://sabrenoise.com/2023/06/11/options-buffalo-sabres-owen-powers-contract/

Dahlin is signed for the upcoming season and so is Power. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about and you are just ranting at us. We are done here. 

[Zamboni]

32 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

Taking a Player at 14th pick just a few years ago with Power means Adams Loves him to fit in current Roster he is building. Neither Krebs or Middlestat are Adam picks.

Middlestat was a 2nd center and failed past Regime. Fine player but he will be too expensive when you have guys like Savoie, Benson, Rosen, Rousek, Kulich and even Krebs for that matter in the wing. Krebs is a fine player but yet has proved he can generate enough PTS and he can't play Wing.

So who goes? Have Jost and Greenway too, Adams traded for both. Still have Victor Olfosson with 28 goals. Remove that how far off are you from Playoffs? Who gets the 28 goals for sure???

 

Quinn will be out till Midseason now, Achilles.

Quinn will not be out till mid season. As much as you want to keep repeating that, it’s not gonna happen.

[TRIP65]

12 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

No dude, we are done here. 

Dahlin is signed for the upcoming season and so is Power. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about and you are just ranting at us. We are done here. 

You don't control my Posting and Dahlin is getting signed in less then a week.

[MattPie]

5 minutes ago, TRIP65 said:

You don't control my Posting and Dahlin is getting signed in less then a week.

We do control whether we see your posts, so kinda the same thing. 😉