Randall Flagg Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, dudacek said: Semi-related, at what contract level do we have interest in TJ Brodie to be our 2LD? He’s of a similar level to Montour, but a better fit, and it allows us to flip Montour for help up front. I like the idea of this lineup if Joki and Little Ras mature as most of us expect: Dahlin Jokiharju Brodie Risto McCabe Miller Not big on Brodie in the last ~3 or so years. Everything I've seen and read indicates he's pretty bad when not with Giordano now. It's a good idea to be thinking about defensemen though, depending on how the forward moves play out. I still think Ian Cole could perfectly replace what we were doing with Scandella last year, and would be downright easy to get from Colorado for nothing, because they have so many good young D ready to jump in, and Cole's cap is a little annoying. There's always a chance he's ready to flop right this second, but if he's got one more solid year in him, if you wind up losing one of the extra RHDs, Cole probably brings this roster more next year than a Montour did last year, and in a style that was missing once Scandella was gone (PK, d-zone staple), with convenient handedness Warning: this is the type of player I get wrong more than any other, from how down I was on Scandella before last year, to how high I was on that Dallas UFA whose name I can't even remember now, who went to Minnesota a year or two ago Edited July 16, 2020 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) Also, Copp and Beauvillier would be pretty nice adds. Not to SOLVE the 2C/top 6 problem, but if we proceed down the smart, solid depth route. Skinner - Eichel - Beauvillier Olofsson - Bonino/Stepan/Henrique - Reinhart Kahun - Copp - Johansson Smart - 4th Line with - Okposo here Is pretty decent, though I agree that I don't want to lose both RHDs for those guys, I think you could get them for less Edited July 16, 2020 by Randall Flagg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, Randall Flagg said: Also, Copp and Beauvillier would be pretty nice adds. Not to SOLVE the 2C/top 6 problem, but if we proceed down the smart, solid depth route. Skinner - Eichel - Beauvillier Olofsson - Bonino/Stepan/Henrique - Reinhart Kahun - Copp - Johansson Smart - 4th Line with - Okposo here Is pretty decent, though I agree that I don't want to lose both RHDs for those guys, I think you could get them for less I guess maybe there just wasn’t enough $ available in the not-spending-to-the-cap formula to add that further C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Randall Flagg Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, rakish said: Pateryn That's what I appreciates about yous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/342701?post_id=1563830 Here's my most recent idea ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeSabresGrr8Again Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 6 hours ago, thewookie1 said: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/342701?post_id=1563830 Here's my most recent idea ? Not bad but, I'm not sold on Hanafin at that price nor do I want $4M spent on the 4th line for a player when much cheaper options are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) If Vogl's predictions are roughly true (no reason to think otherwise) than the Sabres could have around 7.5mil to spend on a player once they sort out their roster. This is of course without trades (montour/risto/miller) but that gives us some idea about what we actually have to spend. https://theathletic.com/1942361/2020/07/22/breaking-down-how-the-flat-salary-cap-will-impact-the-sabres-in-2020-21/ Quote The Sabres need one forward to reach the roster minimum and would prefer to add a left-handed defenseman and extra forward. They’d have $7,629,165 available, putting them in good position to bid for a free agent. But would that roster be good enough to end the nine-year playoff drought? Or should the Sabres try to take advantage of the teams facing cap problems? After all, there will be plenty of them. We’ll look at the options in Part 2 – and there are exciting ones. Edited July 22, 2020 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: If Vogl's predictions are roughly true (no reason to think otherwise) than the Sabres could have around 7.5mil to spend on a player once they sort out their roster. This is of course without trades (montour/risto/miller) but that gives us some idea about what we actually have to spend. https://theathletic.com/1942361/2020/07/22/breaking-down-how-the-flat-salary-cap-will-impact-the-sabres-in-2020-21/ Those numbers are a little different than the ones from the Athletic I have been using from a month or two back, but the general picture is the same. The Sabres are in great shape compared to the rest of the league. As for the $7.5, I think we will have more, because the flat cap is going to wreak havoc with the Evolving Hockey model John is using. The key stat I like to look at is the cap space per open roster spot. The Sabres have nearly $3 million. About half the league has somewhere between $1 million per roster spot, or less, including a handful who are already over the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, dudacek said: Those numbers are a little different than the ones from the Athletic I have been using from a month or two back, but the general picture is the same. The Sabres are in great shape compared to the rest of the league. As for the $7.5, I think we will have more, because the flat cap is going to wreak havoc with the Evolving Hockey model John is using. The key stat I like to look at is the cap space per open roster spot. The Sabres have nearly $3 million. About half the league has somewhere between $1 million per roster spot, or less, including a handful who are already over the cap. Let us hope Adams is clever because there is a real opportunity here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Die wrote some potential ideas. Repairing The Sabres In Three Easy Steps (Trades): https://www.diebytheblade.com/2020/7/18/21330018/repairing-the-sabres-in-three-easy-steps-trades Short version to wet your whistle, go read the article: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th BUFFALO Rasmus Ristolainen -> NEW JERSEY Miles Wood, Janne Kuokkanen BUFFALO Carter Hutton (50% retained), 2021 4th, 2022 5th -> St. LOUIS Jake Allen, Oskar Sundqvist, and Nikita Alexandrov CAP: $77.9M ($81.5M CAP CEILING) Skinner (9) – Eichel (10) – Wood (2.75) Olofsson (4.1)– Lindholm (4.85) – Kahun (2.4) MoJo (4.5) – Sundqvist (2.75) – Cozens (.925) Asplund (.85) – Lazar (.895) – Okposo (6) Simmonds (1.5) – ? Dahlin (.925) – Joker (.925) ? – Monty (4.5) McCabe (2.8) – Miller (3.9) Nelson (1) Ullmark (2.8) – Allen (4.35) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, IKnowPhysics said: Die wrote some potential ideas. Repairing The Sabres In Three Easy Steps (Trades): https://www.diebytheblade.com/2020/7/18/21330018/repairing-the-sabres-in-three-easy-steps-trades Short version to wet your whistle, go read the article: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th BUFFALO Rasmus Ristolainen -> NEW JERSEY Miles Wood, Janne Kuokkanen BUFFALO Carter Hutton (50% retained), 2021 4th, 2022 5th -> St. LOUIS Jake Allen, Oskar Sundqvist, and Nikita Alexandrov CAP: $77.9M ($81.5M CAP CEILING) Skinner (9) – Eichel (10) – Wood (2.75) Olofsson (4.1)– Lindholm (4.85) – Kahun (2.4) MoJo (4.5) – Sundqvist (2.75) – Cozens (.925) Asplund (.85) – Lazar (.895) – Okposo (6) Simmonds (1.5) – ? Dahlin (.925) – Joker (.925) ? – Monty (4.5) McCabe (2.8) – Miller (3.9) Nelson (1) Ullmark (2.8) – Allen (4.35) Just to give proper credit. This interesting, reasonable article was written not by DBTB Staff, but by knowledgeable commenter and good guy, the much loved TMcGee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 5:25 PM, Randall Flagg said: Also, Copp and Beauvillier would be pretty nice adds. Not to SOLVE the 2C/top 6 problem, but if we proceed down the smart, solid depth route. Skinner - Eichel - Beauvillier Olofsson - Bonino/Stepan/Henrique - Reinhart Kahun - Copp - Johansson Smart - 4th Line with - Okposo here Is pretty decent, though I agree that I don't want to lose both RHDs for those guys, I think you could get them for less I personally see nothing in Stepan. I find him a rental at the deadline type of move. He's been terrible for the past 3-4 years. He's at best a Bozak type player. If you cannot get better, sure, but we had better not give up much of anything. Henrique is an "okay" option. I personally don't like the term left on his contract, as he's over 30. Bonino is fine for his spare year left. I love Copp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, IKnowPhysics said: Die wrote some potential ideas. Repairing The Sabres In Three Easy Steps (Trades): https://www.diebytheblade.com/2020/7/18/21330018/repairing-the-sabres-in-three-easy-steps-trades Short version to wet your whistle, go read the article: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th BUFFALO Rasmus Ristolainen -> NEW JERSEY Miles Wood, Janne Kuokkanen BUFFALO Carter Hutton (50% retained), 2021 4th, 2022 5th -> St. LOUIS Jake Allen, Oskar Sundqvist, and Nikita Alexandrov CAP: $77.9M ($81.5M CAP CEILING) Skinner (9) – Eichel (10) – Wood (2.75) Olofsson (4.1)– Lindholm (4.85) – Kahun (2.4) MoJo (4.5) – Sundqvist (2.75) – Cozens (.925) Asplund (.85) – Lazar (.895) – Okposo (6) Simmonds (1.5) – ? Dahlin (.925) – Joker (.925) ? – Monty (4.5) McCabe (2.8) – Miller (3.9) Nelson (1) Ullmark (2.8) – Allen (4.35) Puke on the return for Ristolainen. Again, what has Miles Wood ever done to show that he's much more than Vesey. PASS! Why are we trading Casey and Sam for a slightly better swedish version of Sam. He's more of a facilitating wing. Are we giving up Mittelstadt with him, for the AAV on his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, IKnowPhysics said: Die wrote some potential ideas. Repairing The Sabres In Three Easy Steps (Trades): https://www.diebytheblade.com/2020/7/18/21330018/repairing-the-sabres-in-three-easy-steps-trades Short version to wet your whistle, go read the article: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th BUFFALO Rasmus Ristolainen -> NEW JERSEY Miles Wood, Janne Kuokkanen BUFFALO Carter Hutton (50% retained), 2021 4th, 2022 5th -> St. LOUIS Jake Allen, Oskar Sundqvist, and Nikita Alexandrov CAP: $77.9M ($81.5M CAP CEILING) Skinner (9) – Eichel (10) – Wood (2.75) Olofsson (4.1)– Lindholm (4.85) – Kahun (2.4) MoJo (4.5) – Sundqvist (2.75) – Cozens (.925) Asplund (.85) – Lazar (.895) – Okposo (6) Simmonds (1.5) – ? Dahlin (.925) – Joker (.925) ? – Monty (4.5) McCabe (2.8) – Miller (3.9) Nelson (1) Ullmark (2.8) – Allen (4.35) I cringed at trading Reino when I first read it but, this set of trades is pretty appealing when you factor in not only the improved roster, but the cap benefits. Linholm’s contract is ridiculous, and he slightly out produced Reinhart last year, and is listed as a centre. He’s going to be making 2-3 mil less per than Sam. What’s clear is for an even reasonably creative mind there appears to be numerous available avenues for improving this team this offseason. Absolutely can’t (but they could) line up opening night looking like: Olofsson - Eichel - Reinhart Skinner - Cozens - Kahun Mittelstadt - Johansson - Thompson Aspund - Lazar - Okposo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasmus_ Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/18/2020 at 12:37 AM, thewookie1 said: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/342701?post_id=1563830 Here's my most recent idea ? One question Wook, why on earth Darren Helm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irregularly irregular Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, Thorny said: I cringed at trading Reino when I first read it but, this set of trades is pretty appealing when you factor in not only the improved roster, but the cap benefits. Linholm’s contract is ridiculous, and he slightly out produced Reinhart last year, and is listed as a centre. He’s going to be making 2-3 mil less per than Sam. What’s clear is for an even reasonably creative mind there appears to be numerous available avenues for improving this team this offseason. Absolutely can’t (but they could) line up opening night looking like: Olofsson - Eichel - Reinhart Skinner - Cozens - Kahun Mittelstadt - Johansson - Thompson Aspund - Lazar - Okposo Please, I beg that this does not happen. I'll see whatever else shakes out and generally accept it for what it is. Cozens starting the season as anything more than a sheltered 3C is totally unacceptable to me at this point in time. Even if he is head and shoulders the best 2C in training camp, he should still start the season at 3C and see < 15-16 minutes of TOI including the power play and maybe penalty kill if he has the chops for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Thorny said: Absolutely can’t (but they could) line up opening night looking like: Olofsson - Eichel - Reinhart Skinner - Cozens - Kahun Mittelstadt - Johansson - Thompson Aspund - Lazar - Okposo 10 minutes ago, irregularly irregular said: Please, I beg that this does not happen. ... Cozens starting the season as anything more than a sheltered 3C is totally unacceptable to me at this point in time. ... Agree. That lineup would be hot trash after line one and secondary scoring would be awful. We would fail to make the playoffs based on that alone, and it wouldn't matter what happens on D or in net. Cozens must be developed and not thrown to the wolves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 12 hours ago, TheCerebral1 said: One question Wook, why on earth Darren Helm? Good PKer, other than that he won a Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th This is just an awful trade 16 hours ago, IKnowPhysics said: Die wrote some potential ideas. Repairing The Sabres In Three Easy Steps (Trades): https://www.diebytheblade.com/2020/7/18/21330018/repairing-the-sabres-in-three-easy-steps-trades Short version to wet your whistle, go read the article: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th BUFFALO Rasmus Ristolainen -> NEW JERSEY Miles Wood, Janne Kuokkanen BUFFALO Carter Hutton (50% retained), 2021 4th, 2022 5th -> St. LOUIS Jake Allen, Oskar Sundqvist, and Nikita Alexandrov CAP: $77.9M ($81.5M CAP CEILING) Skinner (9) – Eichel (10) – Wood (2.75) Olofsson (4.1)– Lindholm (4.85) – Kahun (2.4) MoJo (4.5) – Sundqvist (2.75) – Cozens (.925) Asplund (.85) – Lazar (.895) – Okposo (6) Simmonds (1.5) – ? Dahlin (.925) – Joker (.925) ? – Monty (4.5) McCabe (2.8) – Miller (3.9) Nelson (1) Ullmark (2.8) – Allen (4.35) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 17 hours ago, WildCard said: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th This is just an awful trade That it is good sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 9:00 AM, WildCard said: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th This is just an awful trade If you think you are getting Lindholm at that contract, that looks like what it would take at the very least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freester Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 9:00 AM, WildCard said: BUFFALO Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittelstadt -> CALGARY Elias Lindholm, 2021 4th This is just an awful trade I don’t want Wayne Simmons. The Cap can be spent on a better G than Allen or a LD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 9:38 PM, Randall Flagg said: That's what I appreciates about yous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted July 26, 2020 Report Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 5:36 AM, thewookie1 said: Good PKer, other than that he won a Cup That's what they said about Frolik.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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