Tondas Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, WildCard said: We need more sub-par defensemen that miss 1/3 of the season every year? I disagree that he is sub-par. And injuries happen. Ask Chara. Do we need more over hyped prospects that turn into rejects (Fasching, Girgensons, Bailey, Baptiste, etc.)? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Brawndo said: McCabe is an excellent defensive defenseman, but as you mentioned Turcotte has First Line Center Potential, more than enough to make that deal. Excellent feels like a reach. Can we go with "good"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brawndo said: McCabe is an excellent defensive defenseman, but as you mentioned Turcotte has First Line Center Potential, more than enough to make that deal. Is he though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Good it is, I was compensating for the fact he doesn’t contribute on the offensive side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brawndo said: McCabe is an excellent defensive defenseman, but as you mentioned Turcotte has First Line Center Potential, more than enough to make that deal. As Sean McDermott says. "Don't talk to me about potential. I don't like that term." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, Tondas said: I disagree that he is sub-par. And injuries happen. Ask Chara. Do we need more over hyped prospects that turn into rejects (Fasching, Girgensons, Bailey, Baptiste, etc.)? We over-hyped those guys, nobody else did. And yeah injuries happen, but that doesn't mean you want a guy with an injury history. How is he not sub-par? He hits ~.24 ppg in his career and his possession numbers are less than great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 16 hours ago, TrueBlueGED said: Even when healthy, I don't think he's been good enough to want to lock up for 6 years. I think it was 11 who originally suggested a few months ago not wanting to be the team to do this, and I'm with him. The only way I could see locking him up for 6 seasons is if Botterill is playing seriously long game wrt the Seattle draft. Him still having 4 years left when Seattle is making their picks could effectively give the Sabres 4 protected D in that draft as I'd doubt Seattle would want that contract even though he'd be available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 I wonder if the expansion draft makes him easier to move? I will miss McCabe. He’s a foxhole soldier and we don’t have enough of those. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, spndnchz said: I heard rumors that Jimmy cracked corn, but I really don’t care. Paging @TrueBlueGED, you better get my reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, WildCard said: We over-hyped those guys, nobody else did. And yeah injuries happen, but that doesn't mean you want a guy with an injury history. How is he not sub-par? He hits ~.24 ppg in his career and his possession numbers are less than great ppg is a bad comparable for McCabe. All Star Bill Hajt's ppg was .28. 4 time all star Mike Ramsey's ppg was .32. That's a better comp since that's more his game (sound defense and PK). Edited June 17, 2019 by Tondas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Tondas said: ppg is a bad comparable for McCabe. All Star Bill Hajt's ppg was .28. 4 time all star Mike Ramsey's ppg was .32. That's a better comp since that's more his game (sound defense and PK). But what about him says sound defense? I think people just say that about him because he doesn't do anything on offense, and he's physical, so by default he must be a sound defensive-defenseman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, dudacek said: I wonder if the expansion draft makes him easier to move? I will miss McCabe. He’s a foxhole soldier and we don’t have enough of those. Right or wrong, I’ve also always associated him with the start of the US infusion to the Sabres. He’ll be missed by me for sure if he is moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WildCard said: But what about him says sound defense? I think people just say that about him because he doesn't do anything on offense, and he's physical, so by default he must be a sound defensive-defenseman I get it Wild and you make valid points. I'm relying more on what I see, not analytics. I just think McCabe (to the current make up of the Sabres) is more valuable than to move up 4 spots to take a shot at a prospect that is not a sure thing. Some could make the argument that Mitch Marner is a better player than Jack Eichel even though he was selected 2 spots later. It's a crap shoot and not worth trading McCabe to move up 4 picks in my opinion. Edited June 17, 2019 by Tondas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Well, if they trade McCabe, they will probably keep Risto. And while I don't think Chicago would give up #3 for #7 and McCabe, I would make that trade if I were JB -- but I might take Byram, not Turcotte, and I think JB might too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Tondas said: I get it Wild and you make valid points. I'm relying more on what I see, not analytics. I just think McCabe (to the current make up of the Sabres) is more valuable than to move up 4 spots to take a shot at a prospect that is not a sure thing. Some could make the argument that Mitch Marner is a better player than Jack Eichel even though he was selected 2 spots later. It's a crap shoot and not worth trading McCabe to move up 4 picks in my opinion. Fair enough, it just depends on how much you want one of those top 3 guys. To me it's worth it, but we won't really know that answer for years anyways Edited June 17, 2019 by WildCard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 Anyone catch Joe Yerdon on TSN1290 this past hour and his "Sabres trade whispers"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scottysabres said: Anyone catch Joe Yerdon on TSN1290 this past hour and his "Sabres trade whispers"? What were they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, WildCard said: What were they? I was asking if anyone knew lol I didn't get a chance to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Tondas said: As Sean McDermott says. "Don't talk to me about potential. I don't like that term." Sorry Tondas when talking about Draft Prospects, the term potential is used to describe them in all sports particularly The NFL and NHL. Here’s a comparison between McCabe and Dahlin. Mc Cabe is the prototypical defensive defenseman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 ^^So he actually is good defensively huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Thorny Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, dudacek said: I wonder if the expansion draft makes him easier to move? I will miss McCabe. He’s a foxhole soldier and we don’t have enough of those. Sabres move McCabe and Riso, start the season with this D corps that would make even the tank units blush: Dahlin - Montour Scandella - Nelson Hunwick - Borgen Edited June 17, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 I like that people keep forgetting about Bogo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Thorny said: Sabres move McCabe and Riso, start the season with this D corps that would make even the tank units blush: Dahlin - Montour Scandella - Nelson Hunwick - Borgen 2 minutes ago, darksabre said: I like that people keep forgetting about Bogo. ...i'd also love to forget about Bogo. One more year! Edited June 17, 2019 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 17, 2019 Report Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thorny said: ...i'd also love to forget about Bogo. One more year! Just wait till they re-sign him after he has another good season this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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