TrueBlueGED Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Taylor’s name has come up because it’s being implied here that his departure signified the loss of a capable NFL passer. Who cares? He's a capable NFL quarterback. That's what matters. That McDermott is offensively clueless and/or hired a woefully inept OC doesn't really change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I don't want a "capable" quarterback. I want a difference maker. Also tyrod was mediocre under the last oc too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Who cares? He's a capable NFL quarterback. That's what matters. That McDermott is offensively clueless and/or hired a woefully inept OC doesn't really change that. I can't tell if McBeane drafting our franchise QB and then leading us to a second playoff birth in a row is going to make you happy or livid. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Who cares? He's a capable NFL quarterback. That's what matters. That McDermott is offensively clueless and/or hired a woefully inept OC doesn't really change that. Taylor is a capable NFL quarterback? K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) I agree with you. I still don't know why people are bringing up Taylor, as I wrote earlier. If you watched McCarron at Alabama, you know what we're in for. No comparison with Taylor is needed. Not sure what you didn't like about McCarron at 'Bama ... Edited April 17, 2018 by Gramps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) I don't want a "capable" quarterback. I want a difference maker. Also tyrod was mediocre under the last oc too. I can't tell if McBeane drafting our franchise QB and then leading us to a second playoff birth in a row is going to make you happy or livid. :P In no way, shape, or form, would I have been happy not trying to upgrade Taylor. I wanted to draft a successor at 10 last year. He's not the answer. But he's not Blaine Gabbert either just because he doesn't throw for 4500 yards. Taylor is a capable NFL quarterback? K. He is. Frankly, I think you'd be hard pressed to make a non-stylistic argument that he isn't. Edit: I just think people hate the degree to which he's not a prototypical dropback passer so much that it's clouding the analysis of his play, and he's getting dumped on overly harshly. Sort of like how Evander Kane's particular on-ice shortcomings drove me absolutely up a wall to the point I was probably harsher on him than was fully justified. Edited April 17, 2018 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I don't understand not drafting Watson at 10. That said get their guy this. Upgrade the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 He is. Frankly, I think you'd be hard pressed to make a non-stylistic argument that he isn't. Edit: I just think people hate the degree to which he's not a prototypical dropback passer so much that it's clouding the analysis of his play, and he's getting dumped on overly harshly. Sort of like how Evander Kane's particular on-ice shortcomings drove me absolutely up a wall to the point I was probably harsher on him than was fully justified. I may need to take a break, and reflect on how I feel about Taylor as a QB. I dunno. I’m confident I don’t dislike him because he’s not a prototypical dropbacl passer. His limitations and shortcomings eventually made me nuts, and maybe that Jags playoff game distilled it for me. (I always admired him for being a consummate professional, good teammate, good guy in the community, and so on.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Taylor was tolerable. And for me, that was better than anything we've had in a very long time. I just want someone a little better than tolerable. How about acceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Taylor was tolerable. And for me, that was better than anything we've had in a very long time. I just want someone a little better than tolerable. How about acceptable? No, you want a game changer. A winner. Georgia started the year with Jacob Eason. He was more than tolerable. 95 teams out of 100 would love him as a qb. Fromm still got recruited and still took his job. Just good enough isn't good enough. That's gotta be our mindset. It applies to the Sabres as well. I want more talent. On defense. On wing. In goal. Even at center. If you're just good enough, I don't need you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Taylor’s name has come up because it’s being implied here that his departure signified the loss of a capable NFL passer. So are you taking my bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 No, you want a game changer. A winner. Georgia started the year with Jacob Eason. He was more than tolerable. 95 teams out of 100 would love him as a qb. Fromm still got recruited and still took his job. Just good enough isn't good enough. That's gotta be our mindset. It applies to the Sabres as well. I want more talent. On defense. On wing. In goal. Even at center. If you're just good enough, I don't need you. Keep hearing Fromm will lose his job to this apparent superstar freshman too. Any truth to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) Keep hearing Fromm will lose his job to this apparent superstar freshman too. Any truth to that? Justin Fields. That's right Georgia is so competitive we recruited another 5star QB to compete with the guy who just took us to a Natty. We shall see on Saturday. It seems unlikely given Fromm's skills but Fields is a an athlete. He runs, throws, he can do it all. The thing is this year you could see Fromm progress to making play changes at the line. Something he did very sparingly last year. Fromm should also throw more without Sony and Chubb in the backfield although we still have White, Holyfield, and of course Swift so they will take carries just as well. (White probably starts the year on IR as he is injured). Edited April 17, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'm really enjoying this talent run that Georgia is having as of late. They just can't seem to lose any depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) I'm really enjoying this talent run that Georgia is having as of late. They just can't seem to lose any depth. They do what Bama has been doing, you don't lose depth because you recruit enough depth not to. As for the RB, I don't think there is a program in the country that could match Georgia's RB depth. Justin Fields was the #2 recruit in the nation behind Trevor Lawrence who went to Clemson. I will be watching G day to see how he does. Edited April 17, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 But back to the point. We as a city and as a fanbase have to change. We can't accept mediocrity or "acceptable" or "competent". I want greatness. Anything less than great is unacceptable and should be upgraded. Tyrod was meh. Draft someone better. If they aren't good enough, draft someone better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Not sure what you didn't like about McCarron at 'Bama ... The stats are skewed. First, Alabama's offense had LOTS of possessions because its defense didn't allow its opponents to gain a whole lot of ground. Second, lots of dinky passes with lots of yards after the catch. Alabama has won loads of national championships, yet their quarterbacks haven't been good enough for the NFL (recently; I'm not talking about Namath and Starr here). Taylor’s name has come up because it’s being implied here that his departure signified the loss of a capable NFL passer. He was capable. He just wasn't anything more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 The stats are skewed. First, Alabama's offense had LOTS of possessions because its defense didn't allow its opponents to gain a whole lot of ground. Second, lots of dinky passes with lots of yards after the catch. Alabama has won loads of national championships, yet their quarterbacks haven't been good enough for the NFL (recently; I'm not talking about Namath and Starr here). I agree. I watched 2 years of McCarron at Bama and he never did anything spectacular. Above average game manager with a good arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 But back to the point. We as a city and as a fanbase have to change. We can't accept mediocrity or "acceptable" or "competent". I want greatness. Anything less than great is unacceptable and should be upgraded. Tyrod was meh. Draft someone better. If they aren't good enough, draft someone better. It's not about accepting mediocrity. It's about securing the upgrade before you ship the decent/mediocre out of town first. Otherwise you run the risk that your shiny new toy ends up sucking and you take another step backward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) It's not about accepting mediocrity. It's about securing the upgrade before you ship the decent/mediocre out of town first. Otherwise you run the risk that your shiny new toy ends up sucking and you take another step backward. Tyrod was not good. If the new shiny toy takes a step backwards their first year so be it. What if the new toy lights it up? I think a rookie QB can easily be the 31st best passing offensive in the league, I don't need Tyrod around for that. Edited April 17, 2018 by Skurk Liger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) The stats are skewed. First, Alabama's offense had LOTS of possessions because its defense didn't allow its opponents to gain a whole lot of ground. Second, lots of dinky passes with lots of yards after the catch. Alabama has won loads of national championships, yet their quarterbacks haven't been good enough for the NFL (recently; I'm not talking about Namath and Starr here). He was capable. He just wasn't anything more than that. Sounds a lot like Mayfield to me. Lots of yards after the catch with dinky passes. And A.J. played in the offensive scheme he was given - I'm open to seeing what he can do this year. Edited April 17, 2018 by Gramps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Tyrod was not good. If the new shiny toy takes a step backwards their first year so be it. What if the new toy lights it up? I think a rookie QB can easily be the 31st best passing offensive in the league, I don't need Tyrod around for that. McDermott pretty much said there probably will be a step back next year in during yesterday’s press conference. The drought is over, so even if the team takes a step back, build a team that can win championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Tyrod was not good. If the new shiny toy takes a step backwards their first year so be it. What if the new toy lights it up? I think a rookie QB can easily be the 31st best passing offensive in the league, I don't need Tyrod around for that. Taylor is better than anything else we've trotted out under center since Flutie. He may not have torched secondaries like Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees, but he didn't turn the ball over and he helped keep the team competitive. Do you remember JP Losman? Trent Edwards? Ryan Fitzpatrick? Brian Bohm? I know you remember EJ Manuel. I'd rather not risk going back to that. Taylor may not have had a super high ceiling, but he had a decently high floor more often than not. We could have kept him until the new guy proved to not only have a higher ceiling, but a comparable floor. If the FNG lights it up we could have moved on from Taylor then. To do it before hand is flat out irresponsible. The Massholes didn't move on from Bledsoe until they had Brady. The Packers didn't move on from Favre until they had Aaron Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Taylor is better than anything else we've trotted out under center since Flutie. He may not have torched secondaries like Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees, but he didn't turn the ball over and he helped keep the team competitive. Do you remember JP Losman? Trent Edwards? Ryan Fitzpatrick? Brian Bohm? I know you remember EJ Manuel. I'd rather not risk going back to that. Taylor may not have had a super high ceiling, but he had a decently high floor more often than not. We could have kept him until the new guy proved to not only have a higher ceiling, but a comparable floor. If the FNG lights it up we could have moved on from Taylor then. To do it before hand is flat out irresponsible. The Massholes didn't move on from Bledsoe until they had Brady. The Packers didn't move on from Favre until they had Aaron Rodgers. Sounds just like... But back to the point. We as a city and as a fanbase have to change. We can't accept mediocrity or "acceptable" or "competent". I want greatness. Anything less than great is unacceptable and should be upgraded. Tyrod was meh. Draft someone better. If they aren't good enough, draft someone better. It's not about accepting mediocrity. It's about securing the upgrade before you ship the decent/mediocre out of town first. Otherwise you run the risk that your shiny new toy ends up sucking and you take another step backward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 McDermott pretty much said there probably will be a step back next year in during yesterday’s press conference. The drought is over, so even if the team takes a step back, build a team that can win championships So they're already telling the public to expect a regression from last season? Looks like they won't be getting any of my money this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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