JujuFish Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 I'm so glad Goodwin is finding success with San Francisco. As someone who grew up with a disabled brother, it warmed my heart when I learned of his relationship with his sister. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Hoss said: His numbers last year deserve way more credit than “weren’t pathetic.” They were nearly number one numbers. He fell just short of 1,000 yards and was their best target all year. He only got better when Jimmy G came in which is a very good sign for them. This is what I had in mind. I seem to recall several very strong games from him once the new QB arrived. Of course, it seems safe to presume that no one was scheming for him like a true #1 for those games. But he has never projected as a stud WR1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 ESPN suggested Khalil Mack could become a trade candidate which is the perfect storm for the Bills. They obviously blew the Sammy pick and should’ve taken Mack from the start (I have receipts of me calling it out the moment it happened). He’s holding out and has yet to speak with or meet with Jon Gruden since he was hired. Gruden actually insulted him by saying the defense wasn’t good with Mack last year indicating he’s not concerned about him not being there. Mack has spent the entire offseason working out in Buffalo and has said several times he felt like Watkins “stole his city” by getting picked there at 4. ESPN said a first round pick could entice Oakland. I imagine it’d take more than that but it’s an easy deal to make if you’re the Bills. Especially considering they are in great cap position after this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 So Coleman was chosen #15 overall 2 years ago, had 69 yards in his 1st game, 104 yards in his 2nd game and then broke his hand. Then in his 2nd year, he caught 5 passes for 53 yards in the opener and then broke his hand again in week 2. He then missed 2 months and had a few good games and a few lousy games after returning. The WGR guys had an interview yesterday with one of the Cleveland reporters, who said that in addition to the injuries, Coleman exhibited a pretty good amount of meatheaded behavior -- late for practice, bad diet, buddies with criminal elements, etc. So he could use the trade as a learning experience, or he might not. But the potential is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Hoss said: ESPN suggested Khalil Mack could become a trade candidate which is the perfect storm for the Bills. They obviously blew the Sammy pick and should’ve taken Mack from the start (I have receipts of me calling it out the moment it happened). He’s holding out and has yet to speak with or meet with Jon Gruden since he was hired. Gruden actually insulted him by saying the defense wasn’t good with Mack last year indicating he’s not concerned about him not being there. Mack has spent the entire offseason working out in Buffalo and has said several times he felt like Watkins “stole his city” by getting picked there at 4. ESPN said a first round pick could entice Oakland. I imagine it’d take more than that but it’s an easy deal to make if you’re the Bills. Especially considering they are in great cap position after this season. I'm down with this, but not for any of the story line line reasons (because it just feels right, or would be cool, or whatever). I'm not saying that's where you're coming from, btw. I'd want it to happen only if it truly fits into what the team is otherwise trying to do. Like, would Mack be able to take over for Alexander? And would paying that position that amount of money fit into what the team wants to build? If so, have at it. 19 minutes ago, nfreeman said: So Coleman was chosen #15 overall 2 years ago, had 69 yards in his 1st game, 104 yards in his 2nd game and then broke his hand. Then in his 2nd year, he caught 5 passes for 53 yards in the opener and then broke his hand again in week 2. He then missed 2 months and had a few good games and a few lousy games after returning. The WGR guys had an interview yesterday with one of the Cleveland reporters, who said that in addition to the injuries, Coleman exhibited a pretty good amount of meatheaded behavior -- late for practice, bad diet, buddies with criminal elements, etc. So he could use the trade as a learning experience, or he might not. But the potential is there. If true about his off-field stuff, it is a somewhat curious acquisition. I am really hoping he stays healthy and lights it up. Btw, someone Tweeted (is it upthread too?) about how the Bills blew it when they traded with CLE to get Watkins, and so now it's almost like payback plucking a talented young WR from them for next to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, That Aud Smell said: I'm down with this, but not for any of the story line line reasons (because it just feels right, or would be cool, or whatever). I'm not saying that's where you're coming from, btw. I'd want it to happen only if it truly fits into what the team is otherwise trying to do. Like, would Mack be able to take over for Alexander? And would paying that position that amount of money fit into what the team wants to build? If so, have at it. The second position worth paying after QB is edge rusher right now. And Mack is among the best. He’s a top five defensive player in the league and somewhere in the top 15 for all positions. He fits because he can fill roles they’ve already had on the team and because he’s too good not to. He can play legitimately any spot in the front seven. An unreal talent in the team’s backyard that they missed out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 I immediately think of Herschel Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hoss said: The second position worth paying after QB is edge rusher right now. And Mack is among the best. He’s a top five defensive player in the league and somewhere in the top 15 for all positions. He fits because he can fill roles they’ve already had on the team and because he’s too good not to. He can play legitimately any spot in the front seven. An unreal talent in the team’s backyard that they missed out on. Well, now, maybe you are coming from the "hometown guy" "it'd be so damn cool" angle, at least in part. I trust Beane and McDermott to stick to their plan, and try to make it work (hopefully it will). If Mack fits into that plan, then go get him. But, please. We had our Mario Williams episode. I don't need another splashy FA signing just because the guy's an absolute beast, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Just now, That Aud Smell said: But, please. We had our Mario Williams episode. I don't need another splashy FA signing just because the guy's an absolute beast, etc. Mario Williams was worth every single penny we signed him for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, WildCard said: Mario Williams was worth every single penny we signed him for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, WildCard said: Mario Williams was worth every single penny we signed him for Yup. And Khalil Mack is twice the player he was. 30 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Well, now, maybe you are coming from the "hometown guy" "it'd be so damn cool" angle, at least in part. I trust Beane and McDermott to stick to their plan, and try to make it work (hopefully it will). If Mack fits into that plan, then go get him. But, please. We had our Mario Williams episode. I don't need another splashy FA signing just because the guy's an absolute beast, etc. Mack fits every team’s plan. You’re overcomplicating this. And because I added one line about where he played college ball it’s all because of the “hometown” thing? (He’s from Florida). This is a rare time a superstar seems to want to be in Buffalo badly. Or, at least, wanted to. Edited August 7, 2018 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hoss said: Mack fits every team’s plan. You’re overcomplicating this. And because I added one line about where he played college ball it’s all because of the “hometown” thing? (He’s from Florida). This is a rare time a superstar seems to want to be in Buffalo badly. Or, at least, wanted to. And I think you may be over-simplifying the matter. He's a terrific talent, sure. But, for starters, what of the overall architecture of Beane's roster and salary cap model for the franchise? Does McDermott's approach favour the signing of a high-price-tag stud edge rusher? Given McDermott's apparent preference for rotating fresh players in on the D-line, I'm not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: You're really good at posting gifs that make absolutely no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, shrader said: You're really good at posting gifs that make absolutely no sense. Almost all of the gifs on here don't make sense to me. I don't know what movies or shows they're from or what they're supposed to mean. I do know that Mario Williams was a good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 22 minutes ago, shrader said: You're really good at posting gifs that make absolutely no sense. 1 minute ago, Eleven said: Almost all of the gifs on here don't make sense to me. I don't know what movies or shows they're from or what they're supposed to mean. I do know that Mario Williams was a good signing. Right click, then view image info. That one is an "excuse me gif" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, spndnchz said: Right click, then view image info. That one is an "excuse me gif" Not an option, probably because I think we're still using Windows 95 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, shrader said: You're really good at posting gifs that make absolutely no sense. Now, now. Don't be obtuse. That would require me to post my favourite line from Andy Dufresne. I have no idea where that .gif is from -- but the actor is, to my eye, clearly doing a "the wha-- now?!" double take. So I'll be even more clear: The Mario Williams signing worked out for the Bills? How so? ALSO. I admit that I have become an absolute fool for posting media up in here, now that the site's been upgraded and it's so easy to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Just now, That Aud Smell said: Now, now. Don't be obtuse. That would require me to post my favourite line from Andy Dufresne. I have no idea where that .gif is from -- but the actor is, to my eye, clearly doing a "the wha-- now?!" double take. So I'll be even more clear: The Mario Williams signing worked out for the Bills? How so? He was a really good defensive end for while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Eleven said: He was a really good defensive end for while. I've never done any kind of post mortem on the thing. My working sense was that, since the team didn't really improve much with him, the signing was a failed venture or experiment. He was here for, what, 4 seasons? Earned ~$67.5M cash over that time? $16.85 per year? /does minimal Googling The most recent splash the Bills made in free agency was in 2012 when they signed defensive end Mario Williams to, at the time, the largest contract in history to a defensive player. Williams played four seasons in Buffalo (2012-2015). For the most part, Williams lived up to his lucrative contract, racking up 145 tackles and 43 sacks in his tenure with the Bills. Williams constructed two straight Pro Bowl seasons (2013, 2014), earning First-team All-Pro honors once (2014). Williams, coupled with Marcell Dareus, Kyle Williams and Jerry Hughes, formed one of the NFL’s most dominant defensive lines in recent history. Their front four broke Buffalo’s sack record in 2013 (57 sacks), totaling 111 sacks in two seasons (2013, 2014) while finishing with the fourth-best defense in 2014. Edited August 7, 2018 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: I've never done any kind of post mortem on the thing. My working sense was that, since the team didn't really improve much with him, the signing was a failed venture or experiment. He was here for, what, 4 seasons? Earned ~$67.5M cash over that time? $16.85 per year? /does minimal Googling The most recent splash the Bills made in free agency was in 2012 when they signed defensive end Mario Williams to, at the time, the largest contract in history to a defensive player. Williams played four seasons in Buffalo (2012-2015). For the most part, Williams lived up to his lucrative contract, racking up 145 tackles and 43 sacks in his tenure with the Bills. Williams constructed two straight Pro Bowl seasons (2013, 2014), earning First-team All-Pro honors once (2014). Williams, coupled with Marcell Dareus, Kyle Williams and Jerry Hughes, formed one of the NFL’s most dominant defensive lines in recent history. Their front four broke Buffalo’s sack record in 2013 (57 sacks), totaling 111 sacks in two seasons (2013, 2014) while finishing with the fourth-best defense in 2014. The guy was a stud until Ryan got here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eleven said: The guy was a stud until Ryan got here. Right. I'd forgotten that. Rex made Mario fit his system, not vice versa. In retrospect, Mario was also in decline at that point, I suppose. But, yeah - I guess he mostly lived up to his end of his deal. Also, he gave us this (which remains one of my favourite Buffalo athlete things ever): https://www.instagram.com/p/vpDf5ppy2J/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Edited August 7, 2018 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Eleven said: The guy was a stud until Ryan got here. This is true. Though given his career after he joined Miami, I think it's pretty clear Mario deserves his fair share of blame for how he went downhill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JujuFish Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said: Right. I'd forgotten that. Rex made Mario fit his system, not vice versa. In retrospect, Mario was also in decline at that point, I suppose. But, yeah - I guess he mostly lived up to his end of his deal. Also, he gave us this (which remains one of my favourite Buffalo athlete things ever): https://www.instagram.com/p/vpDf5ppy2J/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link He set a career high 14.5 sacks the year before Rex arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, JujuFish said: He set a career high 14.5 sacks the year before Rex arrived. Fair. So, maybe the year in which he was misused coincided with the start of his decline? Because the next year, he was doing nothing in Miami and then he was out of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Buffalo should attempt to acquire Khalil Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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