North Buffalo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Sabres play Thursday so possibly by Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) @TSNHockeyCountdown to #TradeCentre: The asking price is not three, but FOUR assets for pending UFA Evander Kane http://tsn.ca/1.969243 #TSNHockey As he was talking about the asking price for big scorers like van Riemsdyk to Montreal's TSN Radio 690 on Tuesday, TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger revised what he reported last Friday regarding Buffalo's asking price for winger Evander Kane. "If Buffalo gets a first (round pick), a prospect, a roster player and a conditional pick - which I was corrected on, frankly after I wrote that on Friday, they want a roster player in addition to the other three assets - for Evander Kane, a pending unrestricted free agent. If they get all that, or there's a belief they get all that, imagine what the Leafs might get for JVR, Bozak, Komarov or all three..." he said. "...but the 'own rental' philosophy is probably more likely given the Toronto Maple Leafs' position in the standings." https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-how-will-leafs-handle-ufas-1.969243 Edited January 16, 2018 by Jokertecken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 JBots pushing the envelope... probably has an offer or two in place and seeing what bites... maybe playing one off against the other but should probably take a bird in hand if its reasonable... but may not be quite the player he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Kane’s not worth that, unless they are talking the equivalent of pick 26, Nick Baptiste and Scott Wilson. Or, I suppose pick 25, Brendan Lemieux and Joel Armia ???? Edited January 16, 2018 by Mick O’Manly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) The constant Kane speculation all season has been a negative over-hang on the season for the Sabres. Jbot just needs to get the deal done already and move on. Maybe dumping Kane will give the Sabres a lift like dumping Duchene gave the Avs. I think the roster player as part of package is just to fill the line up hole created by trading Kane and giving the acquiring team a way to get rid of some salary to make the deal work easier. The real price is a 1st, near ready prospect and a conditional pick. Edited January 16, 2018 by Georgia Flakt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Aiming for four pieces, will probably get high end prospect and a 1st. @TSNHockey Countdown to #TradeCentre: The asking price is not three, but FOUR assets for pending UFA Evander Kane http://tsn.ca/1.969243 #TSNHockey https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-how-will-leafs-handle-ufas-1.969243 It’s always about Leafs isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) I would guess that conditional is a 3rd if Kane signs or the team makes it to round X in the playoffs. Also I would guess the player coming back to be a speedy young winger, middle six or bottom six, to help replace Kane until someone else is ready. 1st, 4th round pick (conditional), Prospect, middle or bottom 6 winger. Sabres probably retain 50% of this salary. Edited January 16, 2018 by SkuggaLiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Aiming for four pieces, will probably get high end prospect and a 1st. It’s always about Leafs isn’t it? For TSN’s audience, unfortunately yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Aiming for four pieces, will probably get high end prospect and a 1st. It’s always about Leafs isn’t it? Right? No idea why they had to throw that last part in there. So annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Can we just resolve ourselves to being disappointed in what we get back? We're in a tremendous position of weakness. And besides Kane, all we have is hot garbage. ROR? He's the guy you trade for (relatively) cheap to see if you can revitalize his career in a new city. Danny Briere when the Sabres got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Can we just resolve ourselves to being disappointed in what we get back? We're in a tremendous position of weakness. And besides Kane, all we have is hot garbage. ROR? He's the guy you trade for (relatively) cheap to see if you can revitalize his career in a new city. Danny Briere when the Sabres got him. How? Everything indicates a seller's market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 How? Everything indicates a seller's market If not, sign him and trade him this summer or next. Not exactly like we don't need talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 For TSN’s audience, unfortunately yes.. I know I was messing with Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 The constant Kane speculation all season has been a negative over-hang on the season for the Sabres. Jbot just needs to get the deal done already and move on. Maybe dumping Kane will give the Sabres a lift like dumping Duchene gave the Avs. I think the roster player as part of package is just to fill the line up hole created by trading Kane and giving the acquiring team a way to get rid of some salary to make the deal work easier. The real price is a 1st, near ready prospect and a conditional pick. I tend to think this is correct. The roster player will likely be JAG in order to balance salary/cap/contract limits and (more importantly for us) to keep us from having to raid Rochester for bodies once we start moving out pending UFA's. Anyone who thinks we are getting a 1st, good prospect, and good roster player for Kane is likely going to be disappointed. The conditional pick is kind of irrelevant to me since we have no clue who is going to trade for Kane yet, how much cap space they have, or whether they'll actually want/try to re-sign him. Plus I'm still kind of hoping we get a chance to re-sign him in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Can we just resolve ourselves to being disappointed in what we get back? We're in a tremendous position of weakness. And besides Kane, all we have is hot garbage. ROR? He's the guy you trade for (relatively) cheap to see if you can revitalize his career in a new city. Danny Briere when the Sabres got him. disappointment is inevitable. There is no way we are going to get a prospect/pick package where the players involved become as valuable as Evander Kane. Not unless the pick is in the top 10 of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 We gave up a 1st, a near ready prospect In Armia and a good prospect in Lemieux (top pick in the 2nd rd) to get Kane with 3 years left on his deal. We have received good production over the seasons for Kane, who is soon to be an UFA. If we get back a serviceable player depth player, a 1st and a near ready prospect, I think we might actually come out ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Kane is less than six months away from UFA, when he will be lost for nothing Last year at this time his reported traded value non existent. I’ll be happy with a first round pick no matter where it falls. Based on the fact he is the number one trade target on the TSN, that’s the least that can be expected in return. Edited January 16, 2018 by Brawndo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Regardless of how well Botterill does on his Kane trade return, the trade will be disappointing. My hope when we acquired him was that he could be the first-line power forward component of a contending core. He has been close to the first half of that equation, but the latter half was a dismal failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Regardless of how well Botterill does on his Kane trade return, the trade will be disappointing. My hope when we acquired him was that he could be the first-line power forward component of a contending core. He has been close to the first half of that equation, but the latter half was a dismal failure. I'm just excited to have a big locker room shakeup. I don't know who in there is responsible for all of this garbage attitude, but I'm betting it's Kane, Lehner, and O'Reilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I'm just excited to have a big locker room shakeup. I don't know who in there is responsible for all of this garbage attitude, but I'm betting it's Kane, Lehner, and O'Reilly Reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Reasons? Lehner for Toronto O'Reilly doesn't have the C yet, though every sign in the world pointed to him getting it early on Kane is buddy buddy with the two dudes who put in the most inconsistent effort every night: Eichel and Reinhart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 I completely agree on the locker-room shakeup. As for reasons for blaming anyone in particular, I got nuttin', but I will say that IMHO it's a general rule in sports that the highest-paid players need to be the best players, both in games and in practice. The rest of the team takes its cue from those guys. When the big guns don't deliver -- like most of the Sabres' expensive guys -- the other guys subconsciously take their feet off the gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Lehner for Toronto O'Reilly doesn't have the C yet, though every sign in the world pointed to him getting it early on Kane is buddy buddy with the two dudes who put in the most inconsistent effort every night: Eichel and Reinhart Lehner for Toronto? Not sure what that means. I can see how getting rid of Kane might make Eichel and Reinhart a little more serious. I don't think O'Reilly cares that much about the C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Lehner for Toronto? Not sure what that means. I can see how getting rid of Kane might make Eichel and Reinhart a little more serious. I don't think O'Reilly cares that much about the C. “I guess it’s something in Buffalo waters, you know?” Lehner told reporters after the game. “I know Toronto already made up their mind it was a goal before they shot the puck. It’s just how it works in this league.” “Everything is predetermined against us,” he continued. “It’s not to be sulking or anything. We’re not where we want to be or anything like that. It’s just how it is. It’s just how it is. The Islanders are in a playoff spot, and it is what it is." http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/robin-lehner-critical-nhl-video-review-goal-ruling-sabres/ The dude is just a loser with a loser's mentality. He is the epitome of Because Buffalo. We need McDermott's, not Lehner's O'Reilly may not care about it, but that's what he was brought here for. He was a vet on another young team that wanted a bigger role and so demanded a trade. Well, he got that trade, and then subsequently has shown no ability to fulfill that role. Every report and discussion we have on him says he's an introverted guy that leads by example. Which is an okay thing sometimes, but when you have a young team looking for a voice, and all that's there is...what? Lehner? Brian freaking Gionta?...Gorges? O'Reilly was supposed to be that voice, and his failing to do so is not good Edited January 16, 2018 by Jokertecken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) I am fully ready to get on board with a Kane ejection empowering Eichel and Reinhart. Mostly because I need something on which to pin some hope. And for the record, I think Jack starts next season with the C and will wear it well. He’s growing into it. Edited January 16, 2018 by Mick O’Manly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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