sweetlou Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I know the rumor was started on HockeyBuzz who I don't trust. It was also talked about on Instigators by Rivet and Peters, but this morning I began to think why not? So ROR's last year with Colorado he played with Duchene and they both had their best years as pros. ROR- 28 goals, 36 assist= 64 points Duchene- 23 goals, 47 assist= 70 points So who would Buffalo have to give up, and would they be able to keep him long term past the two years he is signed for? Would they be able to keep Kane and Duchene? Colorado is going no where for the next couple of years and wants prospects. Nylander, any D prospect not named Guhle, and conditional pick in 2020 for Duchene? If he resigns with Buffalo it becomes a first rd pick in 2020, if he is not resigned then it is a third rd pick. Lineup- Duchene- Eichel- Okposo Kane- ROR- Reinhart Pouliot- Josefson- Pomminstein Girgensons- Larsson- Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 There's a reason Duchene hasn't moved yet, and it's because it would cost us Nylander + Risto + ?? And no, that's not an exaggeration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 There's no way Colorado lets us take them to the cleaners again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 There's a reason Duchene hasn't moved yet, and it's because it would cost us Nylander + Risto + ?? And no, that's not an exaggeration Or Reinhart and Nylander plus a 3rd or something. A 1st round pick in 2020 is pretty worthless to a team. At best you could lottery protect your 2018 pick or tell them they get 2019. 3 years out though, I wouldn't do that as a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Please God no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 There's no way Colorado lets us take them to the cleaners again. That's actually been reported (TSN guys) as a huge reason Colorado wants so much. We fleeced them so bad they don't just not want it to happen again, they want to make up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 That's actually been reported (TSN guys) as a huge reason Colorado wants so much. We fleeced them so bad they don't just not want it to happen again, they want to make up for it. Another reason not to trade with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) They might bite on Nylander + MiddleSEX (we really need to pump up the hype ... maybe tell them that he is a shoe in for the Hobey Baker and a Nobel) and our 1st in 2018, which may be lotto worthy. Please God no. Turd ... meet punch bowl ......... Edited August 10, 2017 by Sabres Fan In NS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 They might bite on Nylander + MiddleSEX (we really need to pump up the hype ... maybe tell them that he is a shoe in for the Hobey Baker and a Nobel) and our 1st in 2018, which may be lotto worthy. Turd ... meet punch bowl ......... I wouldn't trade 2 sub 20 year olds on a rebuilding team for a 26 year old about to hit UFA status. That is just a bad plan in the cap world. Especially when your star is only 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 They might bite on Nylander + MiddleSEX (we really need to pump up the hype ... maybe tell them that he is a shoe in for the Hobey Baker and a Nobel) and our 1st in 2018, which may be lotto worthy. Turd ... meet punch bowl ......... So you would trade Nylander AND Mittlestadt for Duchene? I wouldn't trade 2 sub 20 year olds on a rebuilding team for a 26 year old about to hit UFA status. That is just a bad plan in the cap world. Especially when your star is only 20. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I wouldn't trade 2 sub 20 year olds on a rebuilding team for a 26 year old about to hit UFA status. That is just a bad plan in the cap world. Especially when your star is only 20. Are sign and trades a thing in the NHL like in bouncy ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 So you would trade Nylander AND Mittlestadt for Duchene? I wouldn't trade 2 sub 20 year olds on a rebuilding team for a 26 year old about to hit UFA status. That is just a bad plan in the cap world. Especially when your star is only 20. Pretty sure NS is being sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 So you would trade Nylander AND Mittlestadt for Duchene? Well said. Yes. I would provided he was signed long-term either before, or as part of, the trade (somehow ... see above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Yes. I would provided he was signed long-term either before, or as part of, the trade (somehow ... see above). Or maybe not :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Pretty sure NS is being sarcastic Nope. Well, maybe the part about the Hobey Baker and Nobel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Yes. I would provided he was signed long-term either before, or as part of, the trade (somehow ... see above). I wouldn't make that trade under any circumstances currently. Are sign and trades a thing in the NHL like in bouncy ball? Doesn't matter if you could sign him to an extension b4 the trade. The fact is he will be paid like a 27 year old UFA with decent career numbers, probably about 7or more million. Or you can have Mittelstadt and Nylander on entry level deals making combined less than that. It is cap economics. Also his deal is for 2 more years. You can't negotiate or at least have him sign a contract until July 1, 2018. That means we would have to wait until this offseason to make this trade and my gut says we won't make this trade in the offseason or even remotely want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Duchene might improve the team next year more than Nylander and Middlestadt but I would expect those players to hold more value longer and the goal is to win a Cup. Duchene does not put us over the top so I would rather roll with players closer in age to our superstar center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Are sign and trades a thing in the NHL like in bouncy ball? I think they are allowed but no one uses them anyway. It wouldn't be possible for Colorado to do it right now anyway though. By rule you can't start negotiating a contract extension until the final season of their deal so the earliest Duchene can be extended is July 1, 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 It's such a TM type move. I hope Jbot is to smart for such a deal. Why do we want to pick up another $6 mill cap hit for a player from a loser organization? Enough of these kind of deals. We can no longer mortgage the future to try to win yesterday. Also didn't Duchene center for ROR that "great" season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 It's such a TM type move. I hope Jbot is to smart for such a deal. Why do we want to pick up another $6 mill cap hit for a player from a loser organization? Enough of these kind of deals. We can no longer mortgage the future to try to win yesterday. Also didn't Duchene center for ROR that "great" season? Yup, that is what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Id consider giving up Reinhart and Nylander but not Middlestat... Casey has too much heart, still not sure I'd do it and forget about first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 It screws our cap if you do it. Better to have the cheap talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 This guy gave the same rumor rating to "Kane to Boston" earlier this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Matt Duchene remains among the more overrated players in the league. He's a prime example of valuing flash over substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Worst move ever. Keep our youth and let this team grow into the Cup contender 3 years from now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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