WildCard Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Factitious: bogus, fake, false Facetious: flippant, glib, ironic Both words are appropriate. Eh I really don't care enough to argue about it Players' contracts should actually be proportional to their +/-. Say the best + player in the league falls in at +40. He should get the $10 mil deal, so 1 plus should be worth about $250,000. Therefore Jack actually owes the Sabres $3.25 mil next season. I can go with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 4 year bridge at $5.5m per. Keeps him motivated. He's a minus player with injury concerns. Let him continue to grow, learn the game and piss him off so he jumps ship first chance he gets. Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate him. 1 year, $1.5M. You know... a prove-it deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejeanerret Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Better lock him down for 8. 8 Years $60 mill AAV $7.5 mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 8 Years $60 mill AAV $7.5 mill I wish. No way are we getting away paying him $7.5 during his prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Watch him balk until he gets a sense of where JBot is taking the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Watch him balk until he gets a sense of where JBot is taking the team. Would it be unreasonable if he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 He won't sign for 8 mil, unfortunately. My BEST hope is 8 years, $9 Million AAV, $72 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Did he, or did the cap just go up to accommodate his contract? I'd say yes to a degree, the fact his contract is also his number tells me at very least something was done to help the team going forward. Out of his ELC he signed a 5 year 8.7 mil contract. Then he signed a 12 year 8.7 mil contract. This one definitely seems that at least to some degree he didn't want to hand cuff his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) So everyone is comfortable with the idea that (minus McDavid) Jack is the best player to come along this decade? And that he will be among the league's five best players over the duration of his contract? That's what you're paying him as. $8-$10 million a year over four RFA years? To gain three UFA years at what may not be a discount if he peaks as a Stamkos level player? Edited June 28, 2017 by dudacek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 So everyone is comfortable with the idea that (minus McDavid) Jack is the best player to come along this decade? And that he will be among the league's five best players over the duration of his contract? That's what you're paying him as. $8-$10 million a year over four RFA years? To gain three UFA years at what may not be a discount if he peaks as a Stamkos level player? I'm definitely comfortable with that idea. I'm expecting 80-90 points next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 @TSNRyanRishaug My sense is Draisaitl ask on an 8 year deal could push 9m per season. Oilers I'd guess would think 7-8 range based on comps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEbriate Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 $8-$10 million a year over four RFA years? 10 million? We could almost buy our own ship for that! @TSNRyanRishaug My sense is Draisaitl ask on an 8 year deal could push 9m per season. Oilers I'd guess would think 7-8 range based on comps Fast forward. You're the Oilers. You've got McDavid for $12M/year. Crazy question: Do you even consider taking the 4 1st rounders if someone makes the full offer for Draisaitl? Or do you just sign him and go the Pittsburgh route and try to fill out the rest of the roster with folks willing to play cheap to play with McDavid and Draisaitl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Sounds like mcjesus is going to get 8 years 13+ per. I'm now thinking it'll be atleast 9, maybe 10 per for jack. I just hope this is an 8 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Sounds like mcjesus is going to get 8 years 13+ per. I'm now thinking it'll be atleast 9, maybe 10 per for jack. I just hope this is an 8 year deal. but McDavid just outscored him by a lot, and won the MVP in his first season. Jack is not in that stratusphere as much as we like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 but McDavid just outscored him by a lot, and won the MVP in his first season. Jack is not in that stratusphere as much as we like him. He's not McDavid. But if McDavid is $13+ you don't think Jack is worth $9, $9.5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 He's not McDavid. But if McDavid is $13+ you don't think Jack is worth $9, $9.5? If Kane is worth $10.5 and Crosby is worth $8.7, is Jack worth $9.5? If Tarasenko is worth $7.5 and Gaudreau $6.75 and Barkov $5.9, is Jack worth $9.5? I think there is a real willingness to pay him as the player we want him to be, rather than who he is, or what the market rate is. $9.5 ties him with Malkin for the fifth-highest paid player in the league. Really, what's he done to deserve that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 So everyone is comfortable with the idea that (minus McDavid) Jack is the best player to come along this decade? And that he will be among the league's five best players over the duration of his contract? That's what you're paying him as. $8-$10 million a year over four RFA years? To gain three UFA years at what may not be a discount if he peaks as a Stamkos level player? No and no. But I also disagree with the gist of your argument. If Jack signs for $9M, even with a relatively flat cap increase of $1M for 2018-19, he'd only be at 11.8% of the cap. One of your favorite comparisons, Tarasenko, was at 10.3% of the cap. So Jack would be more, but not insanely so. Crosby was at 14.5%, Malkin at 14.8%, Ovechkin at 16.8%. How about this one: Phil Kessel at 12.4%. I'm hoping to get Jack at $8M or so, that would be 10.5% of a $76M cap. Arguably below his current value, to say nothing of future value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 He's not McDavid. But if McDavid is $13+ you don't think Jack is worth $9, $9.5? But if they're not comparable, they're not comparable. I won't be shocked if Eichel's 8-year deal averages in excess of $9M. I am still hoping that it slides in under $9M, though. Maybe that's foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 If Kane is worth $10.5 and Crosby is worth $8.7, is Jack worth $9.5? If Tarasenko is worth $7.5 and Gaudreau $6.75 and Barkov $5.9, is Jack worth $9.5? I think there is a real willingness to pay him as the player we want him to be, rather than who he is, or what the market rate is. $9.5 ties him with Malkin for the fifth-highest paid player in the league. Really, what's he done to deserve that? Using raw dollars to judge value is apples to oranges. Percentage of the cap is the only way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) $8 million for eight years would make him the highest paid of his peers, by a good margin. I think that's where he should be. Using raw dollars to judge value is apples to oranges. Percentage of the cap is the only way to go.Good argument. Has the cap really gone up that much since the Tarasenko deal?Seems like it is flattening. Edited June 28, 2017 by dudacek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) $8 million for eight years would make him the highest paid of his peers, by a good margin. I think that's where he should be. Good argument. I think you missed my previous post. Edited June 28, 2017 by TrueBlueGED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 If Kane is worth $10.5 and Crosby is worth $8.7, is Jack worth $9.5? If Tarasenko is worth $7.5 and Gaudreau $6.75 and Barkov $5.9, is Jack worth $9.5? I think there is a real willingness to pay him as the player we want him to be, rather than who he is, or what the market rate is. $9.5 ties him with Malkin for the fifth-highest paid player in the league. Really, what's he done to deserve that? When were these deals signed? I'm not going to figure out what I should pay for a house based on the price of what the neighbour sold for 4 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 I think you missed my precious post. Yes I did. and yes, it was precious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrico Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) No and no. But I also disagree with the gist of your argument. If Jack signs for $9M, even with a relatively flat cap increase of $1M for 2018-19, he'd only be at 11.8% of the cap. One of your favorite comparisons, Tarasenko, was at 10.3% of the cap. So Jack would be more, but not insanely so. Crosby was at 14.5%, Malkin at 14.8%, Ovechkin at 16.8%. How about this one: Phil Kessel at 12.4%. I'm hoping to get Jack at $8M or so, that would be 10.5% of a $76M cap. Arguably below his current value, to say nothing of future value. This. Was just about to start digging into percentage of cap hit per deal. For the record there are few guys on the league I would rather have than jack. Maybe I'm biased but outside of Connor, maybe Austin and sid I'd rather jack. Edited June 28, 2017 by Derrico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 When were these deals signed? I'm not going to figure out what I should pay for a house based on the price of what the neighbour sold for 4 years ago. Two years ago for Tarasenko. Last year for the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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