Randall Flagg Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 With the state our defense and our defensive pipeline is in? No thank you "worthwhile compensation" from a team that still views risto in high regard would absolutely be worth it. I hear Chiarelli might be turning on Klefbom and loves his guys who check hard :flirt: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Karlson is so very gone... https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/980995343218167809?s=21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Karlson is so very gone... https://twitter.com/bradytrett/status/980995343218167809?s=21 If they get Dahlin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 If they get Dahlin... If the standings hold up... There's a better chance that one of St. Louis, Dallas, Chicago, Edmonton, the Flames, or the Rangers get the pick than we do. There is a 12% greater chance that it's one of Ottawa/Montreal/Edmonton than it is us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyldnwoody44 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Sick gwg by Karlsson https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/watch-golden-knights-william-karlsson-goes-through-legs-for-goal-of-the-year-candidate/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjsmJqxnp3aAhVOnFkKHYTRD0gQyM8BCCowAA&usg=AOvVaw1T_XZxzlnOG4oOu22mW2FR&cf=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 "worthwhile compensation" from a team that still views risto in high regard would absolutely be worth it. I hear Chiarelli might be turning on Klefbom and loves his guys who check hard :flirt: Is Risto all he's going to be? It can be dangerous giving up on a promising d-man at 23. What if ROR brought back a number one and the Sabres luck into Dahlin and Risto can get reduced minutes/protected shifts on the second pairing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 We'd never get good enough return for Risto...evn if by chance we get Dahlin we still need him. Totally agree that giving up a 23 year-old d-man who plays huge minutes would be crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Ennis has 8-12-20, and Foligno has -15-23. Does anyone think the Scandella trade was not worth it? Also, Ryan Suter is out for the year with a fractured ankle. Minnesota is gonna miss him http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/23006558/ryan-suter-minnesota-wild-fractured-right-ankle-season-over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Ennis has 8-12-20, and Foligno has -15-23. Does anyone think the Scandella trade was not worth it? Also, Ryan Suter is out for the year with a fractured ankle. Minnesota is gonna miss him http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/23006558/ryan-suter-minnesota-wild-fractured-right-ankle-season-over Just so you know... posting links to espn articles is a bannable offense... They dont cover hockey so please ignore any articles from them or suffer some severe trolling! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Ennis has 8-12-20, and Foligno has -15-23. Does anyone think the Scandella trade was not worth it? Also, Ryan Suter is out for the year with a fractured ankle. Minnesota is gonna miss him http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/23006558/ryan-suter-minnesota-wild-fractured-right-ankle-season-over Scandella is fine. I like his passion. Great hugger. All of these guys are playing above their pay grade. He's not a top pair guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Scandella has been exactly what I expected, a Toni Lydman type - pretty good at everything, great at nothing and gives you an honest effort. We need another one of him and another puck mover. Be nice if that was McCabe and Guhle, but haven’t seen that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Scandella has been exactly what I expected, a Toni Lydman type - pretty good at everything, great at nothing and gives you an honest effort. We need another one of him and another puck mover. Be nice if that was McCabe and Guhle, but haven’t seen that yet. Given how bad we looked without Guhle last night, I think he might be better than we're giving him credit for. His skating is extremely important to our below average d corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Given how bad we looked without Guhle last night, I think he might be better than we're giving him credit for. His skating is extremely important to our below average d corps. This is a good point. Housley’s system demands guys who can skate and move the puck. That’s why Nelson has surprised and why Gorges never plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Is Risto all he's going to be? It can be dangerous giving up on a promising d-man at 23. What if ROR brought back a number one and the Sabres luck into Dahlin and Risto can get reduced minutes/protected shifts on the second pairing? My posts last night were mostly emotional reactions due to yet another instance of Risto having bad position/not covering a guy and then trying to be a badass as soon as they score, with the cross checks and stuff. It's kind of annoying, kind of embarrassing. I wouldn't trade Risto unless the return was worth it AND there was a plan in place that left the defense better off. What I TRULY want is to stop using Risto as a shutdown D when he doesn't have the hockey IQ to be one. But considering we're on the third staff in a row to do this, I think that won't change and the damage has been done. He shouldn't be getting top minutes in the league against top opponents at even strength because the team is bad when that happens. Use plus minus, your eye test, anything you like, over the last three years the results of doing that have not been good and that time would have been better spent nurturing his offensive game while slowly integrating defensive skills in relatively nice scenarios to build confidence and ability. The way that any true 1D in the league was brought up. But not for Risto - you get Crosby every night for 26 minutes starting at age twenty. Go. The lack of fluid development like this has hurt this franchise everywhere for a decade. How often have we been pleasantly surprised by a rookie or sophomore season, but then never saw another lick of development from that player? Zemgus is the same guy he was in 13-14. So is Risto. McCabe showed promise until he didn't change again. Myers. Foligno. Hell, it goes back to Stafford. the team can never get guys shifted up to the next level at age 22, 24, etc. Who they are after about 50 games of NHL experience is who they are years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) The lack of fluid development like this has hurt this franchise everywhere for a decade. How often have we been pleasantly surprised by a rookie or sophomore season, but then never saw another lick of development from that player? Zemgus is the same guy he was in 13-14. So is Risto. McCabe showed promise until he didn't change again. Myers. Foligno. Hell, it goes back to Stafford. the team can never get guys shifted up to the next level at age 22, 24, etc. Who they are after about 50 games of NHL experience is who they are years later. Thanks for finally articulating why smart guys like Freeman think 21-year-old Reinhart is all Reinhart will ever be, why no one expects Bailey and Fasching and Rodrigues and Baptiste to ever make the jump and why we should have given up on Alex Nylander before he turned 20. That’s not the norm for the NHL, but it has been the norm in Buffalo for a decade. There’s a reason why Botterill has put such an emphasis on development. Edited April 3, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 My posts last night were mostly emotional reactions due to yet another instance of Risto having bad position/not covering a guy and then trying to be a badass as soon as they score, with the cross checks and stuff. It's kind of annoying, kind of embarrassing. I wouldn't trade Risto unless the return was worth it AND there was a plan in place that left the defense better off. What I TRULY want is to stop using Risto as a shutdown D when he doesn't have the hockey IQ to be one. But considering we're on the third staff in a row to do this, I think that won't change and the damage has been done. He shouldn't be getting top minutes in the league against top opponents at even strength because the team is bad when that happens. Use plus minus, your eye test, anything you like, over the last three years the results of doing that have not been good and that time would have been better spent nurturing his offensive game while slowly integrating defensive skills in relatively nice scenarios to build confidence and ability. The way that any true 1D in the league was brought up. But not for Risto - you get Crosby every night for 26 minutes starting at age twenty. Go. The lack of fluid development like this has hurt this franchise everywhere for a decade. How often have we been pleasantly surprised by a rookie or sophomore season, but then never saw another lick of development from that player? Zemgus is the same guy he was in 13-14. So is Risto. McCabe showed promise until he didn't change again. Myers. Foligno. Hell, it goes back to Stafford. the team can never get guys shifted up to the next level at age 22, 24, etc. Who they are after about 50 games of NHL experience is who they are years later. Good stuff here. Well said. If we are ever able to get Risto positioned as a 2nd pair Dman, (or even first pair with a Dahlin on his left), we are all gonna like him a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Montreal picked up a point giving them 69, Yotes picked up 2 points... leaving only Ottowa in contention for the carrion league championship. Sabres have clinched 30th... 3 games left and a 3 point lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Ennis has 8-12-20, and Foligno has -15-23. Does anyone think the Scandella trade was not worth it? Also, Ryan Suter is out for the year with a fractured ankle. Minnesota is gonna miss him http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/23006558/ryan-suter-minnesota-wild-fractured-right-ankle-season-over i liked our chances against Minny before Suter got hurt...now, I don't think they win two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ho-Chi-Sock Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Apologies if this should go somewhere else: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 That's some expert trolling :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 https://public.tableau.com/profile/sean.tierney#!/vizhome/Exitsvsentrydefense--asofMarch17th/Dashboard1 This is an interesting chart that plots a defenseman's ability to stifle a zone entry versus his ability to get the puck out of the zone with possession. Click on any Sabre (or another team) to get all of that team's defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Very odd seeing the Blackhawks this bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Very odd seeing the Blackhawks this bad Proof that the margin between good and bad can be razor thin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Proof that the margin between good and bad can be razor thinI think Coach Q goes and they make some more major changes this off-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 If we're not going to win the lottery, I'd love to see the Flames win it. Because they didn't lottery-protect their pick in the Hamonic trade. So if the Sabres can't get Dahlin, I want to see everyone's reactions to Burke or whoever GMs in Calgary trading Dahlin for Hamonic, who is bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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