Randall Flagg Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 I know. Then I am confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Then I am confused I’m basically saying Brady Tkachuk the prospect is pretty much on par with Matthew Tkachuk, the prospect. How can you be angry with or afraid of getting that type of player at 4, if you value that type of player enough to give up O’Reilly for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 I’m basically saying Brady Tkachuk the prospect is pretty much on par with Matthew Tkachuk, the prospect. How can you be angry with or afraid of getting that type of player at 4, if you value that type of player enough to give up O’Reilly for him? If that were me, I would reason that Matthew Tkachuk the player has pleasantly exceeded expectations as an NHLer whereas the unknown of a prospect that has the same name (as Wayne and Brett did...) is far less enticing when other prospects who I like better will be available with our pick. I don't think that's the most unreasonable thing in the world. Though personally, if Tkachuk is a piece in an ROR deal, the other piece has to be a 2nd pairing D. Or, Tkachuk and Hamilton and Bennett/D prospect for Risto and ROR and Nylander or something along those lines (we'd probably have to add a little more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millbank Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Any chance the older Nylander brother from Leafs to go with his brother for OReilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 22, 2018 Report Share Posted April 22, 2018 Any chance the older Nylander brother from Leafs to go with his brother for OReilly If you throw in Austin, maybe. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 What about the notion of addition by subtraction? (This angle would rely on the idea that O'Reilly is such a toxic figure in the lockerroom that although the Sabres get worse on paper, they're better off without him poisoning everyone around him.) This could be a thing. Man. It's hard to imagine it being a thing. But it could be. Also, to the idea that trading ROR would definitely make the team worse: How much worse could this team get? (Maybe don't answer that.) Any chance the older Nylander brother from Leafs to go with his brother for OReilly No thanks. I mean: When have Swedish brothers ever done anything of value in the NHL when paired on the same team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 This could be a thing. Man. It's hard to imagine it being a thing. But it could be. Also, to the idea that trading ROR would definitely make the team worse: How much worse could this team get? (Maybe don't answer that.) No thanks. I mean: When have Swedish brothers ever done anything of value in the NHL when paired on the same team? You do remember the 1 game he missed this season, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Chuck Fletcher: OUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Chuck Fletcher: OUT For those who don't recognize the name, it's the Wild's GM Not too surprising. He's a good GM who made some bad moves in his first go at it but really had a strong roster consistently in contention. He drafted very well too. Wonder where he goes The Wild are officially a mess now. Can't wait for this collapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 For those who don't recognize the name, it's the Wild's GM Not too surprising. He's a good GM who made some bad moves in his first go at it but really had a strong roster consistently in contention. He drafted very well too. Wonder where he goes The Wild are officially a mess now. Can't wait for this collapse Their prospect pool is barren. We should be thankful of ours compared to them. They need 3 drafts to restock that or 2 drafts with multiple first and second round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Their prospect pool is barren. We should be thankful of ours compared to them. They need 3 drafts to restock that or 2 drafts with multiple first and second round picks. The nice part is, they have a ton of players to sell off for picks and prospects... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Their prospect pool is barren. We should be thankful of ours compared to them. They need 3 drafts to restock that or 2 drafts with multiple first and second round picks.Isn't that because guys like Dumba and Granlund ended up working out though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Bill Peters to be introduced as the Flames HC Today. Rod Brindamour wants to be his replacement in Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 I would trade every one of our prospects for every one of theirs, because the only prospect we have that I care about more than "oh he could be a solid, not spectacular NHLer" is Mittelstadt, and I would easily trade Casey for Eriksson Ek and Kaprizov, the latter of whom is probably the best prospect outside of the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 TSN HockeyVerified account @TSNHockey now15 seconds ago More JUST IN: Calgary #Flames announce that the team has hired Bill Peters as head coach http://tsn.ca/live #TSNHockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 You do remember the 1 game he missed this season, right? Not really. Was it bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Isn't that because guys like Dumba and Granlund ended up working out though? They keep trading away first and second round picks. There just isn't a lot there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 No thanks. I mean: When have Swedish brothers ever done anything of value in the NHL when paired on the same team? I seen what you did there. Very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 They keep trading away first and second round picks. There just isn't a lot there. Well yeah but the they hit on the draft picks they have so they were able to trade away those picks. My point really is I trust Fletcher in drafting. Maybe not in putting a team together, but he has a good eye for young talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Well yeah but the they hit on the draft picks they have so they were able to trade away those picks. My point really is I trust Fletcher in drafting. Maybe not in putting a team together, but he has a good eye for young talent What later than 2nd round pick have they hit on recently? I don't think any team is good enough to trade away half of their 1st and 2nd round picks over the last 5 years and be good into the future. Especially in todays salary cap NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 What later than 2nd round pick have they hit on recently? I don't think any team is good enough to trade away half of their 1st and 2nd round picks over the last 5 years and be good into the future. Especially in todays salary cap NHL. Later than 2nd round pick? What are the odds of that for any team? TSN did a study that has that rate at 30% https://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144 They then did another study showing that even if you are that 30%, it's an 86% chance that any 3rd round pick is a 4th liner or worse https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-nhl-draft-pick-value-1.786131 Sorry but I can't rag on Fletcher for not hitting those later round picks, especially as he's been hitting on the 1st rounders he does have. Fletcher since he became the Wild's GM in 2009 Leddy (16) Granlund (9) Brodin(10) Zach Phillips (28) Dumba (7) Tuch (7) Eriksson (20) Kunin (15) So going through that list, it's not as great as I thought it was, admittedly. He does seem probably an average GM with maybe a solid scouting ability; kinda like Murray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Chuck Fletcher: OUT Cup winner. Sign him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Later than 2nd round pick? What are the odds of that for any team? TSN did a study that has that rate at 30% https://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144 They then did another study showing that even if you are that 30%, it's an 86% chance that any 3rd round pick is a 4th liner or worse https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-nhl-draft-pick-value-1.786131 Sorry but I can't rag on Fletcher for not hitting those later round picks, especially as he's been hitting on the 1st rounders he does have. Fletcher since he became the Wild's GM in 2009 Leddy (16) Granlund (9) Brodin(10) Zach Phillips (28) Dumba (7) Tuch (7) Eriksson (20) Kunin (15) So going through that list, it's not as great as I thought it was, admittedly. He does seem probably an average GM with maybe a solid scouting ability; kinda like Murray Ooh, I forgot about Kunin too. Yeah, I'd swap prospect pools. But yeah. Fletcher does seem to be the epitome of average, which over a long stretch of time will compile enough mistakes and frustrating early exits to end a tenure. He's gotten hosed in a couple trades recently (Scandella for nothing, a boatload for Hanzal at the deadline only to lose in like 5 games) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 Ooh, I forgot about Kunin too. Yeah, I'd swap prospect pools. But yeah. Fletcher does seem to be the epitome of average, which over a long stretch of time will compile enough mistakes and frustrating early exits to end a tenure. He's gotten hosed in a couple trades recently (Scandella for nothing, a boatload for Hanzal at the deadline only to lose in like 5 games) ARE YOU INSANE? If we are listing guys who are NHL players now that would mean Reinhart, Eichel, Risto, Mittelstadt all go in this weird swap. Leddy: 578 games Grandlund: 398 games Brodin: 404 games Dumba: 310 games The only prospects on that list are Phillips (who sucks), Tuch (who is decent but in Vegas), Eriksson who is meh, Kunin who is decent and Greenway who is a rookie. So we are trading for Eriksson, Kunin and Greenway. Their prospect pool is and I can't believe I have argue about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted April 23, 2018 Report Share Posted April 23, 2018 ARE YOU ###### INSANE? If we are listing guys who are NHL players now that would mean Reinhart, Eichel, Risto, Mittelstadt all go in this weird swap. Leddy: 578 games Grandlund: 398 games Brodin: 404 games Dumba: 310 games The only prospects on that list are Phillips (who sucks), Tuch (who is decent but in Vegas), Eriksson who is meh, Kunin who is decent and Greenway who is a rookie. So we are trading for Eriksson, Kunin and Greenway. Their prospect pool is ###### and I can't believe I have argue about it. Uhhh..Eichel is about to start his 10mil deal. Risto is literally years into his second contract. It's 2018, not 2015, dude.I would swap prospect pools, not lists that include 24 and under players with years of NHL experience... Ie, anyone that can qualify for the Calder this year and under. The only piece that we have that I value as high as Kaprizov, Eriksson Ek, and Kunin is Mittelstadt. Nowhere did I say I'd swap every player drafted since 2011, even if a bunch are on different teams right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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