Kruppstahl Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I mentioned it in the other thread, but Adam Benigni has confirmed the reports from Wawrow that talks are ongoing with Babcock. Multiple sources reporting talks going on right now doesn't suggest Babcock is returning to Detroit, do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 It's probably a case of both Babcock and Murray knowing what they want and making sure they craft the language such that each knows exactly what their rolls are and where the overlap is. It's a very smart move to iron all that out before signing to set up a sound framework for future cooperation between GMTM and HCMB. no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruppstahl Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 It's probably a case of both Babcock and Murray knowing what they want and making sure they craft the language such that each knows exactly what their rolls are and where the overlap is. It's a very smart move to iron all that out before signing to set up a sound framework for future cooperation between GMTM and HCMB. If they are actually close to making this a done deal, these details and a whole lot more will be ironed out in great detail. That's what contracts are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assquatch Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm having a very difficult time believing this narrative, is all. It doesn't make a lick of sense that roster flexibility would be an issue between Murray and Babcock. Nolan had zero say on the roster. Babcock wants more than zero, and he has earned it. (More than zero does not mean equal footing with the GM) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 When reached by Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press and asked if he’s leaving the Red Wings, Babcock responded, ”Not sure, know by morning." https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/mike-babcock-in-contract-talks-with-buffalo-sabres--report-204606011.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Nolan had zero say on the roster. Babcock wants more than zero, and he has earned it. (More than zero does not mean equal footing with the GM) Okay, but that's obvious, right? I understand that lines of demarcation need to be drawn, however, again, there has been a specific narrative suggesting Babcock will seem to want more "power" than is reasonable and Murray won't want share a reasonable amount of "power". So, the question is, at what point did either men come off as unreasonable hockey people, more interested in their status and power rather than putting together a winning team? I say neither have ever come off this way and to jump on the narrative as if it makes sense is ridiculous. Of course they're going to discuss organizational structure before coming to an agreement, but how anyone can believe either side would be unreasonable about what it will take to build a winning team is beyond me. You don't go after the likes of Babcock without realizing, first, that he's going to need to have some room to do what he wants and needs to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Pretty simple I think. Has an offer from Sabres and going to let Detroit try to match. How close Detroit gets will be deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hamilton's on WGR now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no Chill. Just chill. If they are actually close to making this a done deal, these details and a whole lot more will be ironed out in great detail. That's what contracts are for. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Good posts, sizzle. I think that's a very accurate read on the "power struggle" thing that's been popping up. Whiskey's right, HCMB is turrible. It's like CoHo, or Oreo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 You'd rather call him Babs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 You'd rather call him Babs? I think there were better alternatives in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I imagine a simple yet important part of roster input Babcock wants is call-ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphs mike Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I think it is very important that the report says Babcock is negotiating with Murray. I'm very hopeful that the GM is in charge of the decision on the coach - including "hockey power" details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 You'd rather call him Babs? HCMB When I see it, I think honeycomb. I don't think Willem Defoe's good twin badass hockey coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Hamilton's on WGR now. Listened to it, and I really liked Hamilton's take with respect to what kind of personnel influence Babcock may be after. For those who couldn't listen, Hamilton basically said Babcock wants to be part of the conversation regarding roster changes, not that he's looking to be quasi-GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Listened to it, and I really liked Hamilton's take with respect to what kind of personnel influence Babcock may be after. For those who couldn't listen, Hamilton basically said Babcock wants to be part of the conversation regarding roster changes, not that he's looking to be quasi-GM. Right, which is what anyone reasonable should expect. I'd liked how he compared this situation with Nolan's. Murray wasn't going to trust or care what Nolan had to say...but he will with Babcock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) You'd rather call him Babs? C0cks. I realy like C0cks. Edited May 19, 2015 by inkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBHockey13 Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Right, which is what anyone reasonable should expect. I'd liked how he compared this situation with Nolan's. Murray wasn't going to trust or care what Nolan had to say...but he will with Babcock. Exactly. He'll discuss players more with Babcock and he'll also be more interested in getting the type of players Babcock wants to play his game. I don't think it was already any different from Murray's philosophy in building a team. I am sure he could care less about who Nolan wanted for the future. He knew he was a goner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matter2003 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Now possible reports Sabres are offering a 10 year/$50 million contract...WOW!! Detroit was said to not be budging from $3.25 million, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 C0cks. I realy like C0cks. We always knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm a big fan of The c0ck. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm a big fan of The c0ck. :blink: I'm having wieners for dinner, does that count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Imagine if Babcock walks away. Holy cow, Murray would be done in this town. If not with Pegula. GMTM, welcome to #ZFG. You are low man on this totem pole now, pal. No. He will just hire somebody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROC Sabres Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 I'm having wieners for dinner, does that count? Depends on what kind of wiener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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