WildCard Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Fancy Stats says Weber has the best Corsi and Fenwick on the team. So, what should we look at? Well, we can start here, at the NHL equivalent of MLB's WAR. And, guess where Mike Weber places on the charts for FF/FA and Scoring Chances For/Scoring Chances Against? DFL, that's where. Or, as labeled on their graphs, "Overwhelmed." And, consistent with our intuitions about good d-men, all of the usual suspects for top defenders in the league rank at the top of these categories. http://www.todayssla...fenseman-types/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Fancy Stats says Weber has the best Corsi and Fenwick on the team. 27th overall player in the league at CF%. There will always be dumb exceptions to advanced stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Weber also holds a total WAR of -4.22 Rasmus: -2.57 Gorges: 3.54 Pysyk: -1.07 McCab: -.21 Franson: 3.47 http://war-on-ice.com/WARboard.html Not sure what that says, honestly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 So, what should we look at? Well, we can start here, at the NHL equivalent of MLB's WAR. And, guess where Mike Weber places on the charts for FF/FA and Scoring Chances For/Scoring Chances Against? DFL, that's where. Or, as labeled on their graphs, "Overwhelmed." And, consistent with our intuitions about good d-men, all of the usual suspects for top defenders in the league rank at the top of these categories. http://www.todayssla...fenseman-types/ Old Data, he's really turned it around this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 27th overall player in the league at CF%. There will always be dumb exceptions to advanced stats. No. Weber is better than what people here think. I'm not saying he's a world beater. I'm just saying he doesn't deserve the amount of scorn he gets On another note, watching Pysyk in person on Saturday was a real treat,... McCabe too, but Pysyk is just butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 No. Weber is better than what people here think. I'm not saying he's a world beater. I'm just saying he doesn't deserve the amount of scorn he gets On another note, watching Pysyk in person on Saturday was a real treat,... McCabe too, but Pysyk is just butter. Between games this is how I usually feel. But during them, I remember why people give him so much crap. The guy cannot make basic plays consistently. I think his physical abilities are totally overblown. He doesn't win board battles or clear the crease, and he's usually too slow to get to either place in time anyway. There was a stretch earlier this year of 3 games out of four where he iced the puck before either taking 2 more steps to hit the red line or hitting open teammates with minimal pressure and the ensuing faceoff resulted in a goal against. He has half a dozen poorly-timed failed checks that have opened up odd man rushes against, several of which have resulted in goals against. All of this with his guaranteed 2+ PIM per game make for a disaster. I thought he played his best game of the year against TB and even then those two penalties he took were awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 And anyone who thinks that playing against Horvat is sheltered minutes, hasn't been watching him play this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) And anyone who thinks that playing against Horvat is sheltered minutes, hasn't been watching him play this year. I'm sure he's been on the ice against good players occasionally, but if we played him against talented offensive players consistently we'd be in deep . Edited November 10, 2015 by Hoss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Between games this is how I usually feel. But during them, I remember why people give him so much crap. The guy cannot make basic plays consistently. I think his physical abilities are totally overblown. He doesn't win board battles or clear the crease, and he's usually too slow to get to either place in time anyway. There was a stretch earlier this year of 3 games out of four where he iced the puck before either taking 2 more steps to hit the red line or hitting open teammates with minimal pressure and the ensuing faceoff resulted in a goal against. He has half a dozen poorly-timed failed checks that have opened up odd man rushes against, several of which have resulted in goals against. All of this with his guaranteed 2+ PIM per game make for a disaster. I thought he played his best game of the year against TB and even then those two penalties he took were awful. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Or, at least, a person and a message board poster. At least half of that is accurate. Also, if Weber is better than we think, Bylsma obviously disagrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 You are a gentleman and a scholar. Or, at least, a person and a message board poster. At least half of that is accurate. Also, if Weber is better than we think, Bylsma obviously disagrees. Nobody is arguing that Weber is anything better than a 7th defenseman. He's currently seeing the ice because Bogo is hurt. We wouldn't have seen him at all last week if Colo wasn't hurt too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 You are a gentleman and a scholar. Or, at least, a person and a message board poster. At least half of that is accurate. Also, if Weber is better than we think, Bylsma obviously disagrees. My point is that he is what he is and what he always has been, a 6/7 D man on an NHL team. Every team needs those. Do I wish he was Pronger?... well no chit. Of course I do. He obviously isn't, but he also doesn't deserve to be run out of the NHL either. I wonder if we had stronger goal tending if he would be less of an issue to some. Seems LA has taken a bunch of others we have run out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Nobody is arguing that Weber is anything better than a 7th defenseman. He's currently seeing the ice because Bogo is hurt. We wouldn't have seen him at all last week if Colo wasn't hurt too. I think most who like him are more of the opinion that he's a true #6 and deserves a regular lineup spot. Maybe I'm just off on that perception. But I don't even think he a #7, to be honest. My ideal 7th Dman is limited but brings something to the table, preferably some skating and the ability to make a zone exit. I honestly and truly don't think Weber brings anything. My point is that he is what he is and what he always has been, a 6/7 D man on an NHL team. Every team needs those. Do I wish he was Pronger?... well no chit. Of course I do. He obviously isn't, but he also doesn't deserve to be run out of the NHL either. I wonder if we had stronger goal tending if he would be less of an issue to some. Seems LA has taken a bunch of others we have run out of town. I think he's a very borderline NHL player at best. I'd say he's the Matt Ellis of defensemen, but Ellis didn't regularly hurt the team, he just was kinda there. Weber routinely has negative plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 And anyone who thinks that playing against Horvat is sheltered minutes, hasn't been watching him play this year. I like Horvat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) You are a gentleman and a scholar. Or, at least, a person and a message board poster. At least half of that is accurate. Also, if Weber is better than we think, Bylsma obviously disagrees. You're right, I am a scholar! Well, I have textbooks open around me while I watch Sabres games at a college. Sometimes. Edited November 11, 2015 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 You're right, I am a scholar! Well, I have textbooks open around me while I watch Sabres game at a college. Sometimes.I think I've bought a combined 4 textbooks the last two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I think I've bought a combined 4 textbooks the last two years. I buy all of mine and keep most of them. But the internet makes it so that it only takes about 75% of one week's pay to cover them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 You're right, I am a scholar! Well, I have textbooks open around me while I watch Sabres games at a college. Sometimes. I use to have mighty taco bags all around me when I watched the sabres in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I buy all of mine and keep most of them. But the internet makes it so that it only takes about 75% of one week's pay to cover them. Some mild advice: I kept most of my text books, and never looked at them again. And that was mostly before having access to a fair bit of the world's knowledge in a computer in my pocket. I donated them a few years ago hoping someone would get some use out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I use to have mighty taco bags all around me when I watched the sabres in college. This post risks reopening the "Is Mighty Taco good, or is it gross?" debate that's been held far too many times on this board. But Mighty Taco is GOOOOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Ummm, how 'bout those Sabres though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 (edited) Lines at practice: Moulson-O'Reilly-Gionta Larsson-Eichel-Ennis Deslauriers-Legwand-McGinn Foligno-Schaller-Reinhart No #28. @BuffaloSabres 2m 2 minutes ago Defense this AM: Gorges-Ristolainen McCabe-Bogosian Colaiacovo-Franson Pysyk rotating Edited November 16, 2015 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Pysyk rotating? Hmmmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Pysyk rotating? Hmmmm.... Not that he was bad last game. But he didn't have much jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Pretty interesting that Coco is apparently ahead of Pysyk in the rotation. For the tank conspiracy theorists, it's worth noting that Coco seems to be contributing quite a bit more to this year's team than Meszaros and Benoit contributed to last year's team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Not that he was bad last game. But he didn't have much jump. Didn't look like he should bump Cola or Franson either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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