Taro T Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Okay, I've submitted this thought before, and the answers I have received, although well-explained, have not satisfied (sorry, TBPhD). Let's take this possible line-up: Kane McEichel Ennis Moulson Girgensons ROR Foligno Reinhart Gionta Deslauriers Larsson McCormick Riso Georges Bogo Pysyk Weber (more than likely) Zadarov Goalie....mmm someone okay. How can anyone look at the roster and expect only a modest increase in position at the end of next season? Yes, I am aware that a 25 point increase from this season would be marvelous, but that works out to be in the upper 20's standings-wise. But, I look at that roster and I think that if all other things are stable (coaching, administration, injuries), a roster with that kind of talent should be able to get it together by Christmas, no? And from there, they should be able to compete for a wildcard slot their first year together, no? I mean, if they can't, then I might want to question the assembled talent. The only 2 reasons that lineup won't be in the playoffs is they are extremely young, especially up the middle & on D, and there is likely not quality tending. No reason they can't win 15 more games next year. Problem is, they need to win closer to 25 more next year to be in the dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) ppl still view Zemgus as a 3rd line player... :lol: Ideally, if your team is good enough, he will be Edited March 30, 2015 by Inkoslav Manilov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcal Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Yost's point was that LA would match on Tofoli but would because if that have to pass on Jones.I thought he said there was a chance they let both walk because of their cap situation being what it is but that if they matched one it would be Toffoli because of Quick? Edited March 30, 2015 by Bills12Sabres11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ya, Larsson is part of this team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 The only 2 reasons that lineup won't be in the playoffs is they are extremely young, especially up the middle & on D, and there is likely not quality tending. No reason they can't win 15 more games next year. Problem is, they need to win closer to 25 more next year to be in the dance. I think this will be the biggest detriment to our team next year unless Murray addresses it this offseason. Okay, I've submitted this thought before, and the answers I have received, although well-explained, have not satisfied (sorry, TBPhD). Let's take this possible line-up: Kane McEichel Ennis Moulson Girgensons ROR Foligno Reinhart Gionta Deslauriers Larsson McCormick Riso Georges Bogo Pysyk Weber (more than likely) Zadarov Goalie....mmm someone okay. How can anyone look at the roster and expect only a modest increase in position at the end of next season? Yes, I am aware that a 25 point increase from this season would be marvelous, but that works out to be in the upper 20's standings-wise. But, I look at that roster and I think that if all other things are stable (coaching, administration, injuries), a roster with that kind of talent should be able to get it together by Christmas, no? And from there, they should be able to compete for a wildcard slot their first year together, no? I mean, if they can't, then I might want to question the assembled talent. I think if we trade for Ryan O'Reilly you will see one of those roster players moved in that trade. Foligno would be my guess or maybe you get lucky and Roy likes Hodgson. Either way I can't see us carrying that many lw's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Okay, I've submitted this thought before, and the answers I have received, although well-explained, have not satisfied (sorry, TBPhD). Let's take this possible line-up: Kane McEichel Ennis Moulson Girgensons ROR Foligno Reinhart Gionta Deslauriers Larsson McCormick Riso Georges Bogo Pysyk Weber (more than likely) Zadarov Goalie....mmm someone okay. How can anyone look at the roster and expect only a modest increase in position at the end of next season? Yes, I am aware that a 25 point increase from this season would be marvelous, but that works out to be in the upper 20's standings-wise. But, I look at that roster and I think that if all other things are stable (coaching, administration, injuries), a roster with that kind of talent should be able to get it together by Christmas, no? And from there, they should be able to compete for a wildcard slot their first year together, no? I mean, if they can't, then I might want to question the assembled talent. Here's the thing. This roster better be capable of contending for a playoff spot, because we've fired all our bullets. There may be trades. A Bailey or Fasching or a McCabe may strengthen the middle of the roster but there are no more heroes coming. That group may be young, but that is the core of our team moving forward. Edited March 30, 2015 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I think this will be the biggest detriment to our team next year unless Murray addresses it this offseason. I think if we trade for Ryan O'Reilly you will see one of those roster players moved in that trade. Foligno would be my guess or maybe you get lucky and Roy likes Hodgson. Either way I can't see us carrying that many lw's Would take a lot more than a 3rd liner to get that deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Would take a lot more than a 3rd liner to get that deal done. I am aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Okay, I've submitted this thought before, and the answers I have received, although well-explained, have not satisfied (sorry, TBPhD). Let's take this possible line-up: How can anyone look at the roster and expect only a modest increase in position at the end of next season? Yes, I am aware that a 25 point increase from this season would be marvelous, but that works out to be in the upper 20's standings-wise. But, I look at that roster and I think that if all other things are stable (coaching, administration, injuries), a roster with that kind of talent should be able to get it together by Christmas, no? And from there, they should be able to compete for a wildcard slot their first year together, no? I mean, if they can't, then I might want to question the assembled talent. That's how I see it. The goaltending is a complete wildcard though. One thing that will be interesting to see is how all these guys fit together. How quickly will the chemistry come together if at all. They could add leadship in free agemcy, possibly. But let's not discount the enthusiasm of youth. Their energy might carry them far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Here's the thing. This roster better be capable of contending for a playoff spot, because we've fired all our bullets. There may be trades. A Bailey or Fasching or a McCabe may strengthen the middle of the roster but there are no more heroes coming. That group may be young, but that is the core of our team moving forward. If the top line is Kane McDavid and Ennis that's a scary line........ speed, power, dangling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Kane - McEichel - Ennis Moulson - Girgensons - ROR Grigorenko - Reinhart - Joel Ward Deslauriers - Larsson - Gionta Francois Beauchemin - Ristolainen Gorges - Bogosian Johnny Oduya - Pysyk Weber Niemi - O'Connor I'm signing Joel Ward, Johnny Oduya and Francois Beauchemin. Two older vets who will help teach the kids while making us more competitive as a team. Trading Marcus Foligno, Jake McCabe, late 1st and a second for Ryan O'Reilly. Edit: changed Zadorov. The more I think about it the more I think it's either Rochester or elsewhere for him. He needs time in the AHL. He's been inexcusably bad at times (I know D4rk won't like that). Edited March 30, 2015 by Tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Okay, I've submitted this thought before, and the answers I have received, although well-explained, have not satisfied (sorry, TBPhD). Let's take this possible line-up: Kane McEichel Ennis Moulson Girgensons ROR Foligno Reinhart Gionta Deslauriers Larsson McCormick Riso Georges Bogo Pysyk Weber (more than likely) Zadarov Goalie....mmm someone okay. How can anyone look at the roster and expect only a modest increase in position at the end of next season? Yes, I am aware that a 25 point increase from this season would be marvelous, but that works out to be in the upper 20's standings-wise. But, I look at that roster and I think that if all other things are stable (coaching, administration, injuries), a roster with that kind of talent should be able to get it together by Christmas, no? And from there, they should be able to compete for a wildcard slot their first year together, no? I mean, if they can't, then I might want to question the assembled talent. I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you believe that line-up can compete for a play-off spot next year. You will have 2 rookies playing Centre (no matter how good they will eventually become they are still rookies) and assuming they actually finish last - still not comfortable calling this thing over. Plus, the D will need at least another year to mature and there still isn't a goalie. I think jump into the high 70's / low 80s finishing around 20th would be a good season for the Sabres. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment if you believe that line-up can compete for a play-off spot next year. You will have 2 rookies playing Centre (no matter how good they will eventually become they are still rookies) and assuming they actually finish last - still not comfortable calling this thing over. Plus, the D will need at least another year to mature and there still isn't a goalie. I think jump into the high 70's / low 80s finishing around 20th would be a good season for the Sabres. . And then they win the new draft lottery and get Austin Matthews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 And then they win the new draft lottery and get Austin Matthews. Ok, let's slow down a little! Lol Forget about how young they are, if two things fall into place they will be contending for a playoff spot 1) they keep finding goaltenders that stop the puck. Strangely enough, that has not been a huge part of the tank. 2) they make the power play work well. say top third of the league. I say this believing they will already be scoring more goals even strength Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ok, let's slow down a little! Lol But I'm glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Why is it that anytime someone has ROR coming to Buffalo, they have Zemgus centering him? O'Reilly has a much higher FO% and isn't a righty so it isn't any more advantageous to put him in the RW over Girgs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Why is it that anytime someone has ROR coming to Buffalo, they have Zemgus centering him? O'Reilly has a much higher FO% and isn't a righty so it isn't any more advantageous to put him in the RW over Girgs For me it was because I had Reinhart centering him but then made a quick switch with him and Zemgus for the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 For me it was because I had Reinhart centering him but then made a quick switch with him and Zemgus for the start of the season. I didn't know if there was something I didn't know about either that was making him the better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Kane McEichel Ennis Moulson Reinhart Hodgson (!) Foligno ROR Girgensons Deslauriers Larsson Gionta Bogo Gorges Risto Zadorov Weber Pysyk Best UFA goalie I know people are going to question my placement of Hodgson and the ROR/Girgensons, but I think this fits their roles much better. Hodgson was our leading scorer last year, and his game would work as the RW on a sheltered scoring line. The ROR/Girgensons line is the shutdown line, and I think those three would get a lot of ice time with tough minutes against the opponent's top line. ROR gets the center role due to faceoff ability/experience. The fourth line is more of a shutdown line 2, rather than the traditional muck it up grinders. If you want more muscle I suppose McCormick can come in as C. Note that Gionta is there for purely leadership/role model as I feel he has lost a step or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Kane McEichel Ennis Moulson I know people are going to question my placement of Hodgson and the ROR/Girgensons, but I think this fits their roles much better. Hodgson was our leading scorer last year, and his game would work as the RW on a sheltered scoring line. The ROR/Girgensons line is the shutdown line, and I think those three would get a lot of ice time with tough minutes against the opponent's top line. ROR gets the center role due to faceoff ability/experience. The fourth line is more of a shutdown line 2, rather than the traditional muck it up grinders. If you want more muscle I suppose McCormick can come in as C. Note that Gionta is there for purely leadership/role model as I feel he has lost a step or two. I like Gionta centering that third line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 I like Gionta centering that third line Why would a career-long winger suddenly center a line on a team that isn't tanking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Kane McEichel Ennis Moulson Reinhart Hodgson (!) Foligno ROR Girgensons Deslauriers Larsson Gionta Bogo Gorges Risto Zadorov Weber Pysyk Best UFA goalie I know people are going to question my placement of Hodgson and the ROR/Girgensons, but I think this fits their roles much better. Hodgson was our leading scorer last year, and his game would work as the RW on a sheltered scoring line. The ROR/Girgensons line is the shutdown line, and I think those three would get a lot of ice time with tough minutes against the opponent's top line. ROR gets the center role due to faceoff ability/experience. The fourth line is more of a shutdown line 2, rather than the traditional muck it up grinders. If you want more muscle I suppose McCormick can come in as C. Note that Gionta is there for purely leadership/role model as I feel he has lost a step or two. I'd be more than happy with that line-up to start the year. Weber on defense would be the only thing that bothered me, but I guess that's where TP money comes into play. That third line would be a dominate defensive zone group who can matchup well against anyone and I think with CoHo getting time on that second line he would be right back to where he was before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Why would a career-long winger suddenly center a line on a team that isn't tanking?Because it's where he fits best now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohicksie Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 But I'm glowing like the metal on the edge of a knife... :flirt: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Because it's where he fits best now That's what they said about Leino. He doesn't "best fit" there now. He best fits on right wing considering our lack of depth there. Why would his best fit be at a position of strength (assuming we add McEichel) vs a position of weakness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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