TrueBlueGED Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 This thread is precisely why seemingly everyone in sports sticks to tired cliches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 This thread is precisely why seemingly everyone in sports sticks to tired cliches. Tired cliche is a cliche. Dude, you're down in the muck with the rest of us. Dismount your elevated equine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Tired cliche is a cliche. Dude, you're down in the muck with the rest of us. Dismount your elevated equine. Nice job. Mission accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) He did not say that according to the article. He did say "“We’re not going to be a Stanley Cup contender next year but I hope we’re on the way up while still having a chance to win the lottery." Oy. Was that "while" in there the whole time? It was. Shoot. That does make the prognostication rather weirdly specific. But, whatever. So here's some Joseph Decreux: I needed that. Edited March 13, 2015 by That Aud Smell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 This board is a ###### shitshow. Don't blame me for that. Blame Terry — and Taro. Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 No team ever learned to win by losing over and over again. For this team to ever go somewhere, they're going to have to take babysteps getting there, and that most likely includes being a bubble team. We're not going from DFL, directly to a 2nd round team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I love Timmy but I don't like that quote and while he may have misspoken I think PA's take on it jives more with what was said than everyone else's and I think the content of this thread would be a lot different if he wasn't the one to start it. He didn't misspeak. He really did mean the Sabres probably won't be a playoff team. That does not imply he's is going to tank again. That does not mean that every team that thinks they won't be a playoff team will purposely start losing from this minute forward. It's another case of twisting what was said to make a ridiculous comment. It's a shame this is what journalism has stooped to in an attempt to create a story. Not sure why I even bothered to contribute............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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X. Benedict Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Given the following, what is it exactly we are rooting for next year? Murray wants his team to be better but knows they won't be a playoff team. Sounds like what he said before this season. Why aren't we rooting for losses next season, too? http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/11/tank-label-unfair-losing-to-win-not-new-concept-sabres-gm-murray For one very good reason. DFL only guarantees the number the No. 4 pick in 2016. (For rhetorical sake, we'll assume Murray knows this too.) Every team that misses the playoffs has a chance at winning the No. 1, 2, or 3 spot. I don't think we can really expect a playoff team next year but we can expect a much better team, but if they don't make the playoffs, finish, say 18th. hey, you can still win the sweeps. Edited March 13, 2015 by X. Benedict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 In defense of the Toronto Sun, I didn't really read the entire article. Now that I have, there was no implication on their part that Murray wanted to tank in 2016. The article barely addressed the quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 For one very good reason. DFL only guarantees the number the No. 4 pick in 2016. (For rhetorical sake, we'll assume Murray knows this too.) Every team that misses the playoffs has a chance at winning the No. 1, 2, or 3 spot. I don't think we can really expect a playoff team next year but we can expect a much better team, but if they don't make the playoffs, finish, say 18th. hey, you can still win the sweeps. There is of course this, which was put in place to discourage what the Sabres are doing now.....until the year when there are a pair of McEichel's available and DFL still gets you a piece.... :devil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 The only thing I think the revised lottery is going to encourage or discourage is more bubble teams selling at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 The only thing I think the revised lottery is going to encourage or discourage is more bubble teams selling at the deadline. Or encourage player for prospect deals versus player for pick(s) deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Or encourage player for prospect deals versus player for pick(s) deals. That's right. who would trade the Number 17 pick when there is an outside chance at 1, 2, or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Napartyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TrueBlueGED Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Finally read the article--context is a beautiful thing. He was clearly talking about the Sabres chances to win the lottery in light of the changes to the format and his expectation that we're not in the playoffs. He may as well have said "I think we're going to be better, but thanks to the bozos around the league, we're going to have a better chance than in the past to win the lottery, and I hope we do." Much ado about nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Seriously? Of course not. You make this place better, much better. It was just a jab at the CHL thread. Finally read the article--context is a beautiful thing. He was clearly talking about the Sabres chances to win the lottery in light of the changes to the format and his expectation that we're not in the playoffs. He may as well have said "I think we're going to be better, but thanks to the bozos around the league, we're going to have a better chance than in the past to win the lottery, and I hope we do." Much ado about nothing. You didn't need the article for that context. The first part of his quote that I copied and pasted gave the context. Whatever. His hoping that they're in the running for a top three pick is what there should be much ado about. That's the story here. I thought it would surprise more people given GMTM's comments about a quicker turnaround than expected, his denials that the team has even been tanking, the trade of a pick and prospects for Kane and Bogosian, etc. The idea that next year is about getting better, but not too much better, by hope/design, is a new twist on the immediate future. At least in my eyes. Seriously, isn't anyone else down for two more Kane style trades, maybe a Snow-like poaching of a team with cap troubles, a good free agent signing, a decent goaltender and let's go win some hockey games?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sicknfla Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Murray talks to much. I think after the honeymoon phase is over here that act will get old. Right now he is enjoying the attention he is getting. I will start paying more attention to what he has to say when he has done more than sell off some UFA'S and be asked to captain the worse team hockey. Why can't we be next years Calgary or NYI? Why come out and say what he did? I am sick of this loser mentality. If he realistically thinks we are not a playoff team next year THEN DO MORE!! Earn your damn paycheck. Any blind squirrel can sit back and wait for years worth of high draft picks to accumulate. Expect more from yourself, your coaches, your scouts, and your players. This BS of accepting to not compete for a playoff spot is old. Take TP's nipple out of your mouth and start doing your job. This act is old. What exactly is he saying that DR didn't???? Yet we accept it because Murray GZF's. Give me a break. Put a damn hockey team on the ice and shut the hell up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Murray talks to much. I think after the honeymoon phase is over here that act will get old. Right now he is enjoying the attention he is getting. I will start paying more attention to what he has to say when he has done more than sell off some UFA'S and be asked to captain the worse team hockey. Why can't we be next years Calgary or NYI? Why come out and say what he did? I am sick of this loser mentality. If he realistically thinks we are not a playoff team next year THEN DO MORE!! Earn your damn paycheck. Any blind squirrel can sit back and wait for years worth of high draft picks to accumulate. Expect more from yourself, your coaches, your scouts, and your players. This BS of accepting to not compete for a playoff spot is old. Take TP's nipple out of your mouth and start doing your job. This act is old. What exactly is he saying that DR didn't???? Yet we accept it because Murray GZF's. Give me a break. Put a damn hockey team on the ice and shut the hell up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Murray talks to much. <snip> I didn't agree with this on balance, but it was a funking AWESOME rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Murray talks to much. I think after the honeymoon phase is over here that act will get old. Right now he is enjoying the attention he is getting. I will start paying more attention to what he has to say when he has done more than sell off some UFA'S and be asked to captain the worse team hockey. Why can't we be next years Calgary or NYI? Why come out and say what he did? I am sick of this loser mentality. If he realistically thinks we are not a playoff team next year THEN DO MORE!! Earn your damn paycheck. Any blind squirrel can sit back and wait for years worth of high draft picks to accumulate. Expect more from yourself, your coaches, your scouts, and your players. This BS of accepting to not compete for a playoff spot is old. Take TP's nipple out of your mouth and start doing your job. This act is old. What exactly is he saying that DR didn't???? Yet we accept it because Murray GZF's. Give me a break. Put a damn hockey team on the ice and shut the hell up. Maybe he's just managing expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Murray talks to much. I think after the honeymoon phase is over here that act will get old. Right now he is enjoying the attention he is getting. I will start paying more attention to what he has to say when he has done more than sell off some UFA'S and be asked to captain the worse team hockey. Why can't we be next years Calgary or NYI? Why come out and say what he did? I am sick of this loser mentality. If he realistically thinks we are not a playoff team next year THEN DO MORE!! Earn your damn paycheck. Any blind squirrel can sit back and wait for years worth of high draft picks to accumulate. Expect more from yourself, your coaches, your scouts, and your players. This BS of accepting to not compete for a playoff spot is old. Take TP's nipple out of your mouth and start doing your job. This act is old. What exactly is he saying that DR didn't???? Yet we accept it because Murray GZF's. Give me a break. Put a damn hockey team on the ice and shut the hell up. This was great. As far as this being trolling or not worthy of discussion, gimme a break. Until this organization does anything worthy of a even a squirt of my piss on the ice, they get no slack and everything is worth questioning. This has been the worst season ever, in every way. It can't end soon enough, and for there to be even an inkling that their "Winning by Losing" campaign could trail into next season is disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Finally read the article--context is a beautiful thing. He was clearly talking about the Sabres chances to win the lottery in light of the changes to the format and his expectation that we're not in the playoffs. He may as well have said "I think we're going to be better, but thanks to the bozos around the league, we're going to have a better chance than in the past to win the lottery, and I hope we do." Much ado about nothing. Agreed. He philosophically disagrees with the new lottery rules, admits that he voted against them, but recognizes that under a specific set of circumstances, his team can benefit greatly from them. Nowhere does he state that the goal is to finish 9th in the conference. Nowhere does he say the goal is to pick in the top three next season. He merely points out where his team can benefit from a set of rule he fundamentally disagrees with. If the Sabres are fighting for the 8th playoff spot next February, there is no reason to believe that Murray will tank the effort for the opportunity to win the lottery for a top 3 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Maybe he's just managing expectations. I don't think this aspect can/should be overlooked. If we get one of McDeichel, expectations will be through the roof. And while I'd like to believe that Buffalo fans are savvy and sophisticated, I suspect there is a fair amount of those that don't often travel outside their comfort zones of sound bytes and solving the world's problems in 140 characters or less. GO SABRES!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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