tom webster Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Whoa. Patrick had 36 pts in his first full NHL season, then 43 pts, then 55+ pts in 5 of his next 6 seasons, including 1 season with 71 pts and 1 with 62. Pysyk will probably have zero or 1 NHL season with 40+ pts. od skater. Patrick was an F- Pysyk is a very go15. I think we're talking apples and oranges. I think you are under estimating Pysyk. Like Shrader said, the league is different now but he will be a solid 3/4 and once there is some offensive talent upfront, his assist numbers will sky rocket. He has the ability to be one of the finest passing defenseman in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Nice exchange here people. Good to see we're getting back to some real hockey talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I love anyone on this squad who can consistently make a tape-to-tape pass and boy do I hate the ones who can't. Forced or unforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I love anyone on this squad who can consistently make a tape-to-tape pass and boy do I hate the ones who can't. Forced or unforced. Such an essential part of the game. When a team is good at it it looks easy and beautiful, but holy ###### is it hard when you try it yourself. And that's without guys like Lucic flying at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Speaking of apples and oranges, that rookie season for Patrick came in the same year where Gretzky lead the league with 208 points. Comparing to the scoring of that era is never going to fly. Just look at some of the numbers here. And speaking of that, what sticks out to me the most... only one goalie had a save percentage over 0.9. It's crazy how much things have changed. Edit: I think the Patrick most people think of now is the one who played for the latter 40 years of his 80 year career, just a solid middle of the pack defenseman who played smart and was never a liability out there. No question -- scoring was much higher back then. (And looking at that list makes me amazed all over again that the NHL hasn't figured out a way to get scoring back into that ballpark -- especially even-strength scoring.) And I also agree that most people tend to remember the post-prime Patrick. But comparing Pysyk to Patrick is like comparing a Honda Accord to a BMW 550. I think you are under estimating Pysyk. Like Shrader said, the league is different now but he will be a solid 3/4 and once there is some offensive talent upfront, his assist numbers will sky rocket. He has the ability to be one of the finest passing defenseman in the league. I agree that Pysyk could develop into a solid 3/4. Again, though, comparing him to a guy like Patrick is unfair to both of them. As for the bolded, I haven't seen anything that would support this -- although being on an historically low-scoring team certainly hasn't helped him. I must point out that IIRC you were a a big supporter of Chris Butler's. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 No question -- scoring was much higher back then. (And looking at that list makes me amazed all over again that the NHL hasn't figured out a way to get scoring back into that ballpark -- especially even-strength scoring.) And I also agree that most people tend to remember the post-prime Patrick. But comparing Pysyk to Patrick is like comparing a Honda Accord to a BMW 550. I agree that Pysyk could develop into a solid 3/4. Again, though, comparing him to a guy like Patrick is unfair to both of them. As for the bolded, I haven't seen anything that would support this -- although being on an historically low-scoring team certainly hasn't helped him. I must point out that IIRC you were a a big supporter of Chris Butler's. We'll see. Signed in St. Louis. Didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 When he was up last year, he was the most reliable Dman the Sabres had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 When he was up last year, he was the most reliable Dman the Sabres had. I tend to agree with this. He was rarely out of position and seemed to be one of two guys on the team who consistently could get the puck out of the zone. Pysyk's strength's are still being developed. He is only 22 and has only played 63 games scoring 2g, and adding 10assists. I think he has more to give but needs a full season and a decent linemate to show a little more. Realistically speaking it would take another 2-3 full seasons for Pysyk to reach his full potential. For right now I remain hopefully optimistic but I remember the playoffs of MAG and how much he sucked thereafter. Pysyk has much to prove but I think he could definitely do it this season. According to the official training camp roster Pysyk will be entering camp at 6'2" 200lbs. Roughly adding 7-8lbs since last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I think you are under estimating Pysyk. Like Shrader said, the league is different now but he will be a solid 3/4 and once there is some offensive talent upfront, his assist numbers will sky rocket. He has the ability to be one of the finest passing defenseman in the league. That's how I see it too. Love his breakout passes. Maybe since goals are so often grind-it-out vs run-n-gun his assist #s won't be that good, but here's hoping. Good call on speed disparity Freeman. I was thinking more passing, not physical, solid all-around, smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Signed in St. Louis. Didn't he? Yes, but on a 1-year, 2-way contract. He's much closer to journeyman status than to being the next James Patrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 But comparing Pysyk to Patrick is like comparing a Honda Accord to a BMW 550. Accord w/ V6 vs 528i. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yes, but on a 1-year, 2-way contract. He's much closer to journeyman status than to being the next James Patrick. He's not that. More skilled than Weber though, less grit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) Pysyk does a play similar game to Butler, but Pysyk is better at, well, pretty much everything. MAG is a horrible comparison. He could play the PP in the NHL, but he was the softest player and the worst defending defence man to wear the blue and gold in recent memory. Edited September 18, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Look.. as far as I am concerned, if you can score goals by dropping the puck in goalie's sweater you're a rock star. Pysyk is so good he gets goalies to score for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I called it. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 No question -- scoring was much higher back then. (And looking at that list makes me amazed all over again that the NHL hasn't figured out a way to get scoring back into that ballpark -- especially even-strength scoring.) And I also agree that most people tend to remember the post-prime Patrick. But comparing Pysyk to Patrick is like comparing a Honda Accord to a BMW 550. Not Pysyk-related, but I think the NHL has figured out how to increase scoring, they just don't have the stomach to actually try it: illegal defense, especially in the neutral zone, but also some changes with respect to d-zone play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byebye Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I called it. Just sayin'. What exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) That he's a good Dman, one of the Sabres best.... at the beginning of last season. Edited February 25, 2015 by Neuvirths Perchatka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Not Pysyk-related, but I think the NHL has figured out how to increase scoring, they just don't have the stomach to actually try it: illegal defense, especially in the neutral zone, but also some changes with respect to d-zone play. It's probably a discussion for another thread, but bigger nets. That will wind up being the key point to any future changes meant to increase scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 That he's a good Dman, one of the Sabres best.... at the beginning of last season. Anyone know how his contract works? By keeping him down did he get ganked on NHL cash? Clearly he belongs, and if I'm him and I did get held back for the tank, I'm looking at GMTM for a $500k bonus or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Anyone know how his contract works? By keeping him down did he get ganked on NHL cash? Clearly he belongs, and if I'm him and I did get held back for the tank, I'm looking at GMTM for a $500k bonus or something. As fond as I am of the term ganked, the Sabres didn't overtly do anything wrong. He wasn't even the Amerks highest scoring defenseman. That being said, he should be super pissed and motivated to prove himself. I just hope it doesn't screw up the draft position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Ristolainen: 92 games, 15 pts (6G, 9A), -42 Pysyk: 69 games, 14 pts (4G, 10A), -15 Zadorov: 49 games, 14 pts (4G, 10A), -16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Anyone know how his contract works? By keeping him down did he get ganked on NHL cash? Clearly he belongs, and if I'm him and I did get held back for the tank, I'm looking at GMTM for a $500k bonus or something. He was held back to mature. Look at the Red Wings organization; that do that all the time. Their "young" talent is typically mid-20s. Teemu Pulkkinen is just getting his first look at the bigs and he's 23. If Pysyk had been with their system, he'd just be getting his first look. We as a fan base want every good prospect rushed to the big club but holding all but the best back until they are (more than) ready for the NHL level is pretty standard practice. Just because an AHL player is better than an NHL player does not mean we should insert him on the big team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 It's probably a discussion for another thread, but bigger nets. That will wind up being the key point to any future changes meant to increase scoring. Bah I say, bah! Give me more flow to the game and ice-long rushes, not a greater probability for a butt goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Bah I say, bah! Give me more flow to the game and ice-long rushes, not a greater probability for a butt goal. You can only let players and equipment grow for so long, allowing them to fill up more net, until you try to balance that out with bigger nets. Shooters are so incredibly accurate today, but it doesn't matter when they have next to nothing to shoot at. Give them a bigger target and scoring will increase... and not just fluke goals either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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