PromoTheRobot Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/22010/rest-easy-winnipeg-realignment-is-coming Makes sense, except for Tampa and Florida in with Buffalo, Boston, Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto...but then again you have all the snowbirds. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 That looks pretty good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 The list is the 2011 realignment plan that was rejected by the NHLPA for various reasons (some were labor/lockout-related). Red Wings and Blue Jackets want to change conferences. Tampa's whining about traveling to the northeast. Nobody knows where the Coyotes are playing next year. I could make a case for exchanging Florida and Tampa for Pittsburgh and Philly, but from a we-want-sucky-competition-to-make-the-playoffs stand point, I'm ok as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://espn.go.com/b...nment-is-coming Makes sense, except for Tampa and Florida in with Buffalo, Boston, Ottawa, Montreal and Toronto...but then again you have all the snowbirds. PTR Still love this realignment plan. Hope they finally get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robviously Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 "Better" if you never want the Sabres to make the playoffs again. Also pretty sure the NY/NJ teams won't like losing their traditional rivals so that they can play with four non-hockey markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Nah, we'd crack the required top four for the divisional playoffs in that arrangement, but it'd be more guaranteed to get there with the Florida teams in our division, yes. NY teams wouldn't care about losing the PA teams when they realized their improved odds at making the playoffs. Not a big deal either way. If Columbus, Detroit, QC, Hamilton, or Markham end up in the NE, it might get pushed this way anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Nah, we'd crack the required top four for the divisional playoffs in that arrangement, but it'd be more guaranteed to get there with the Florida teams in our division, yes. NY teams wouldn't care about losing the PA teams when they realized their improved odds at making the playoffs. Not a big deal either way. Under the Proposed plan, both of the "Eastern" conferences get two non-hockey markets (the Florida teams in one and Carolina/Washington in the other). Seems fair to me. Plus seeing Stamkos more often would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Under the Proposed plan, both of the "Eastern" conferences get two non-hockey markets (the Florida teams in one and Carolina/Washington in the other). Seems fair to me. Plus seeing Stamkos more often would be cool. You also have to remember that under the proposed plan every team plays every team, which is a bonus to fans in that you get to see west coast stars and the equality of playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 For the interested, team series records for Buffalo: http://mcubed.net/nh...f/series2.shtml A L L G A M E S H O M E A W A Y P L A Y O F F S TEAM W-L-T Win % GFPG GAPG W-L-T Win % GFPG GAPG W-L-T Win % GFPG GAPG W-L-T Win % GFPG GAPG San Jose Sharks 18-7-4 69.0 3.9 2.9 | 14-1-0 93.3 4.5 2.7 | 4-6-4 42.9 3.3 3.0 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Tampa Bay Lightning 47-22-5 66.9 3.3 2.5 | 22-13-2 62.2 3.3 2.8 | 25-9-3 71.6 3.4 2.3 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Anaheim Ducks 15-8-3 63.5 3.0 2.1 | 7-3-3 65.4 3.0 2.2 | 8-5-0 61.5 3.0 2.1 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Washington Capitals 85-46-15 63.4 3.6 2.6 | 44-23-6 64.4 3.8 2.6 | 41-23-9 62.3 3.4 2.6 | 2-4-0 33.3 1.8 2.2 Phoenix Coyotes 39-22-7 62.5 3.6 2.7 | 22-8-5 70.0 3.9 2.5 | 17-14-2 54.5 3.2 2.9 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Florida Panthers 42-26-4 61.1 2.9 2.3 | 24-10-3 68.9 3.0 2.1 | 18-16-1 52.9 2.8 2.6 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Toronto Maple Leafs 106-65-18 60.8 3.7 2.8 | 63-26-6 69.5 4.0 2.6 | 43-39-12 52.1 3.4 3.0 | 4-1-0 80.0 4.2 3.2 Minnesota Wild 7-5-0 58.3 2.5 2.3 | 2-4-0 33.3 2.2 2.8 | 5-1-0 83.3 2.8 1.8 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Calgary Flames 48-33-16 57.7 3.6 3.1 | 30-13-5 67.7 4.1 2.8 | 18-20-11 48.0 3.1 3.4 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Carolina Hurricanes 99-73-18 56.8 3.4 2.9 | 56-31-7 63.3 3.9 2.9 | 43-42-11 50.5 3.0 2.9 | 3-4-0 42.9 2.4 3.1 Los Angeles Kings 55-40-18 56.6 3.8 3.2 | 31-16-9 63.4 4.2 2.9 | 24-24-9 50.0 3.4 3.5 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Chicago Blackhawks 61-46-13 56.3 3.3 2.8 | 39-15-7 69.7 3.7 2.5 | 22-31-6 42.4 2.7 3.2 | 8-1-0 88.9 4.0 1.9 New Jersey Devils 72-54-17 56.3 3.3 2.8 | 38-25-8 59.2 3.5 2.9 | 34-29-9 53.5 3.0 2.8 | 3-4-0 42.9 2.0 2.0 New York Rangers 83-63-25 55.8 3.3 3.0 | 51-26-10 64.4 3.9 2.9 | 32-37-15 47.0 2.7 3.1 | 6-3-0 66.7 3.1 2.1 Ottawa Senators 69-54-10 55.6 2.8 2.5 | 35-28-3 55.3 3.0 2.5 | 34-26-7 56.0 2.6 2.6 | 13-8-0 61.9 2.5 2.2 Dallas Stars 59-49-17 54.0 3.2 2.9 | 33-18-11 62.1 3.5 2.7 | 26-31-6 46.0 2.9 3.2 | 5-8-0 38.5 2.8 3.0 New York Islanders 81-72-18 52.6 3.1 2.9 | 46-31-9 58.7 3.3 2.8 | 35-41-9 46.5 2.8 3.0 | 8-13-0 38.1 3.0 3.3 Vancouver Canucks 52-46-19 52.6 3.4 3.2 | 33-18-8 62.7 3.6 2.8 | 19-28-11 42.2 3.1 3.7 | 6-1-0 85.7 4.0 2.0 Montreal Canadiens 133-124-31 51.6 3.0 3.1 | 78-46-19 61.2 3.2 2.7 | 55-78-12 42.1 2.9 3.5 | 17-18-0 48.6 3.2 3.5 Detroit Red Wings 53-50-13 51.3 3.5 3.3 | 34-15-8 66.7 4.2 3.0 | 19-35-5 36.4 2.8 3.7 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Colorado Avalanche 61-60-20 50.4 3.5 3.5 | 38-23-9 60.7 3.9 3.3 | 23-37-11 40.1 3.1 3.6 | 2-6-0 25.0 3.4 4.4 Nashville Predators 7-7-1 50.0 2.7 2.7 | 1-5-1 21.4 2.9 3.7 | 6-2-0 75.0 2.5 1.8 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Boston Bruins 134-145-29 48.2 3.2 3.3 | 83-55-15 59.2 3.6 2.9 | 51-90-14 37.4 2.9 3.6 | 20-25-0 44.4 3.2 3.4 St. Louis Blues 47-51-13 48.2 3.1 3.4 | 32-19-6 61.4 3.7 3.1 | 15-32-7 34.3 2.5 3.6 | 2-1-0 66.7 2.3 2.7 Pittsburgh Penguins 66-79-35 46.4 3.3 3.2 | 41-33-17 54.4 3.6 2.8 | 25-46-18 38.2 3.0 3.7 | 4-6-0 40.0 2.6 2.6 Winnipeg Jets 21-26-1 44.8 3.6 3.0 | 14-10-0 58.3 4.4 2.8 | 7-16-1 31.3 2.8 3.3 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Philadelphia Flyers 82-106-20 44.2 2.9 3.1 | 51-41-8 55.0 3.3 2.8 | 31-65-12 34.3 2.6 3.4 | 21-29-0 42.0 2.8 2.9 Edmonton Oilers 21-34-10 40.0 3.2 3.7 | 13-13-7 50.0 3.6 3.5 | 8-21-3 29.7 2.8 3.9 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Columbus Blue Jackets 5-8-1 39.3 2.5 2.9 | 4-4-0 50.0 2.9 2.5 | 1-4-1 25.0 2.0 3.5 | 0-0-0 0.0 0.0 0.0 So if we're trying to win at all costs, our new division should be: San Jose, Tampa, Anaheim, Washington, Phoenix, Florida, Toronto. Pretty much guaranteed playoff entries and great chances at first round victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samson's Flow Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 For the interested, team series records for Buffalo: http://mcubed.net/nh...f/series2.shtml So if we're trying to win at all costs, our new division should be: San Jose, Tampa, Anaheim, Washington, Phoenix, Florida, Toronto. Pretty much guaranteed playoff entries and great chances at first round victories. Interesting - I would have never guessed that we would have some of our best records against some consistently good teams (SJ, Anaheim, Washington) and horrible records against some relative bottom feeders (Columbus, Edmonton, Winnipeg). So much so that I had to check the website to see if it was backwards :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I despise the playoff system they proposed last year.That and they should at least give the Conferences names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Interesting - I would have never guessed that we would have some of our best records against some consistently good teams (SJ, Anaheim, Washington) and horrible records against some relative bottom feeders (Columbus, Edmonton, Winnipeg). So much so that I had to check the website to see if it was backwards :doh: Gotta remember that's all time. 15-40 years ago, your ranking would have been reversed. Columbus is still a fluke though. Maybe bad statistics on few games played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 It only looks any good if the league expands by two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 That and they should at least give the Conferences names. We could go back to Campbell/Prince of Wales and Norris/Smythe and Adams/Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Riddle me this ... If the Sabres have a winning record, or close, against the vast majority of teams, how come we never seem to get anywhere. Also, hope we meet Chicago or Vancouver for the cup one day ... excellent playoff records against those two teams. And we have only met Toronto once in the playoffs ... the ECF in 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Riddle me this ... If the Sabres have a winning record, or close, against the vast majority of teams, how come we never seem to get anywhere. 1) Expansion. It's harder now than it was. In 1970, there were only 14 teams in the league, and 8 made the playoffs. By 1990, there were 21 teams in the league, but 16 of them made the playoffs. If you had a losing record, you still "went somewhere" by competing in the playoffs. Now there's 30 teams and you need to be in the top half of the league to make the playoffs- more competition. 2) Point inflation. With the introduction of ties, overtime losses, shootouts, etc, the required points percentage to be competitive in the league and make the playoffs increased. Where a 0.500 record was once almost a guarantee to make the playoffs, now you need something closer to 0.567 points percentage (93 point pace on 82 games). 3) Perception. The days of old where teams used to make the playoffs with a losing record are likely over, so fans need to get used to it. Our current record would probably put us easily in playoff contention if this were 20 years ago. But nowadays, we're 4 spots out of 8th. So fans have to adjust. We might have once had expectations that we should always be competing for the Cup, but if everything were equal among teams, we'd only win the Cup every 30 years and make the Cup semi finals every 7 years or so. And we have only met Toronto once in the playoffs ... the ECF in 1999. That's because Toronto spent many years in the Western Conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 So if the league expands to Seattle, KC and Quebec City (with Phoenix moving to one of those) - does Columbus move into the 'atlantic'? Or does Toronto get another team instead of KC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 There's no way the NHL breaks up the Pittsburgh-Philly-NY rivalries, even if it makes sense geographically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 So if the league expands to Seattle, KC and Quebec City (with Phoenix moving to one of those) - does Columbus move into the 'atlantic'? Or does Toronto get another team instead of KC? Watch Seattle. I bet they get a team next. Could be Phoenix, could be Edmonton. Can't believe the Pacific NW has been NHL-free so long. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 The only logical thing for the NHL to do is cut its losses in Phoenix. It's an absolute joke of a situation. I don't care where you move them. Bring them to Seattle to share space with the NBA team going back there (if that happens). It makes things easier. The only other logical location is Quebec City. Having Buffalo in the building for Florida and Tampa helps sell a few more tickets during those games, but the travel is awful. Finally, I don't care if the competition in the division is good. It forces the team to get better to compete. It gives them LESS of a leg to stand on so we get better results... or we end up like the Orioles.. but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Rhea Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 The Blue Jackets should be in Cleveland or Cincinnati. Why Columbus? Makes no sense, both Cle and Cin had arenas, also have other pro sports teams. I just don't get the whole Columbus thing. Whatever, they are there and belong in the green group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Else? Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 The Blue Jackets should be in Cleveland or Cincinnati. Why Columbus? Makes no sense, both Cle and Cin had arenas, also have other pro sports teams. I just don't get the whole Columbus thing. Whatever, they are there and belong in the green group. Ever been to their arena? It is awesome with and everything around it. It is downtown surrounded by plenty of other things to do. Unfortunately they have everything but a good team. If this franchise ever catches fire, this will be one of the premeire spots to take a road trip to watch a game. Also Columbus is a college town without any other major sport to compete with. If the NHL can pick up some of those college football fans filling a 19,000 seat arena shouldn't be very hard. And no I don't live in Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Ever been to their arena? It is awesome with and everything around it. It is downtown surrounded by plenty of other things to do. Unfortunately they have everything but a good team. If this franchise ever catches fire, this will be one of the premeire spots to take a road trip to watch a game. Can you imagine the carpetbaggery that would happen if Columbus were in the east? You'd have invading fans from at least 3-4 cities within a day's drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSoldier2010 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Can you imagine the carpetbaggery that would happen if Columbus were in the east? You'd have invading fans from at least 3-4 cities within a day's drive. Hey, at least they'd be selling more seats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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