dumb_dumb88 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 RIVET CLAIMED BY CBJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 RIVET CLAIMED BY CBJ That sucks for him. I was hoping he'd get a shot with a team who had more of a chance at the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 That sucks for him. I was hoping he'd get a shot with a team who had more of a chance at the Cup. Wednesday: Rivet: "Honey, the Sabres are waiving me so I can catch on with a contender and get some playing time." Mrs. Rivet: "That's great baby! At least now we won't have to live in that sh!thole of a city anymore." Saturday: Rivet: "Honey, I just got picked up by Columbus" Mrs. Rivet: "Georgia?" Rivet: "No, Ohio" Mrs. Rivet: "#@*%!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADMOFO518 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 TSN website must be swamped, cant log on cuz it keeps crashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 weird they would waive commodore and then pick up rivet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 weird they would waive commodore and then pick up rivet. I thought that strange myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 So does this free up $3.5 million in cap space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumb_dumb88 Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 So does this free up $3.5 million in cap space? Isn't it pro rated to like 800 thousand and Buffalo owes half, 400 thousand? Isn't that how it works? Also, Rob Schremp is on waivers from the Islanders. I'd like Buffalo to pick him up, he is an RFA at seasons end and is dirt cheap. Roll the dice for short term center depth and see if this kid can fit into the 3rd line. Learn some defensive game from Lindy. Anything to change up what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Archer Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 So does this free up $3.5 million in cap space? $1.75m prorated to how many games are left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 $1.75m prorated to how many games are left Isn't that how much the CBJ has to pay him? A teams total salary against the cap doesnt start at zero and work it's way up to whatever the final cap number is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Isn't that how much the CBJ has to pay him? A teams total salary against the cap doesnt start at zero and work it's way up to whatever the final cap number is. It ends up being about $414,000 that Columbus has to pay him for the rest of the year. BTW - Columbus is playing some of the best hockey in the Western Conference right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 either way our cap hit goes down a bit and Rivet whos a nice guy goes to a team thats been playing well of late... not if we could only get rid of connolly we would be getting somewhere.... Darcy is still quiet so i guess there arent any deals out there... (seriously though darcy we need centers like fat kids need diets) :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 So... what if Rivet plays and plays very well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 So... what if Rivet plays and plays very well? Good for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Good for him? I hope he plays well and gets signed to another contract he was classy and hey at least if he wants to he could keep his family in buffalo for now I mean columbus isnt the west coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Good for him? Sure. And it would look bad for Lindy. A girl can dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two or less Posted February 26, 2011 Report Share Posted February 26, 2011 Sure. And it would look bad for Lindy. A girl can dream... No it wouldn't. Rivet has been hurt and if he does play well, it was probably due to the long rest he just had to heal. Our defense ISN'T the problem while it was when Rivet was in there. Our defense isn't perfect, but they are playing at a very high level in their own end. We lack some puck movement and an offensive wizard on defense, as we had early on with Leopold, but none of those Rivet could fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Rivet has been scratched from both games since being claimed by Columbus. Guy can't seem to catch a break as his career winds down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Rivet has been scratched from both games since being claimed by Columbus. Guy can't seem to catch a break as his career winds down. Did Ruff ruin Rivet's career, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Did Ruff ruin Rivet's career, too? What does that mean? Whose career did I state was ruined by Ruff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 What does that mean? Whose career did I state was ruined by Ruff? It wasn't aimed directly at you, but in general to the Lindy detractors who think he doesn't know how to coach and ruins players, despite getting win after win with guys who seem to fall off the hockey map as soon as they leave Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwolf21 Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 It wasn't aimed directly at you, but in general to the Lindy detractors who think he doesn't know how to coach and ruins players, despite getting win after win with guys who seem to fall off the hockey map as soon as they leave Buffalo. Come on, it's clearly obvious that all Lindy does is ride great goaltenders. Wait - I thought I read on this board that Miller a) sucks b) is overrated c) is bailed out by his team. So much for that theory. Now I don't know what to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickshaw Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Rivet was a healthy scratch for CBJ again last night. Guy can't find the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Dwight Drane Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 It wasn't aimed directly at you, but in general to the Lindy detractors who think he doesn't know how to coach and ruins players, despite getting win after win with guys who seem to fall off the hockey map as soon as they leave Buffalo. Let's break this down.... Who has left over the past 5 years? Help me if I miss some. Dumont, McKee, Grier, Pyatt, Fitzpatrick, Zubrus, Briere, Drury, Campbell, Afinigenov, Kotalik, Kalinin, Paetch, Spacek, Bernier, Paille, MacArthur, Torres, Moore, Lydman, Tallinder, Biron, Kennedy. Let's break it down by group. Push = played same after leaving lindy, Better = played better leaving Lindy, Worse = played worse after leaving lindy. Established Vets from out of system: Grier - Brought in for defense and leadership, did his job, left because organizational non-commitment, went on to play similar role elsewhere, PUSH Fitzpatrick - Steady 6/7 in Buffalo after being typical journeyman. Left Buffalo and became All-star starter (haha!). In reality, another PUSH Zubrus - Rental who played Lindy's system ok. Went on to play similar 3rd line roles elsewhere. PUSH Spacek - Was an established 2/3 d-man coming in. Played fairly well but sometimes disinterested. Left and has played similar if not better at an advanced age P/B Torres - Was confused by Lindy's system. Totally worthless and relegated to pressbox in weeks. Left and has played decent on a top 5 team. Better Moore - See Torres. Took a bit but regained some of his mojo. Push/Slightly better Established vets in system, or in system from pre-prime of career: Dumont - Played well and was a top 6. Was let go for 2.5mil, then went on to become a leader on a rejuvinated Nashville, getting 4mil per. Better McKee - Started young and progressed well. Left and didn't have same success. Worse Briere - Came over struggling and turned into 1A center. Let go @5 mil, continued his success and cashed in while on a Stanley Cup team. Push/Better Drury - Was established and seemed to thrive in system. Left for payday and hit the wall. Worse Campbell - New rules made him an asset. Developed slowly but surely. Left and didn't improve. Push/Worse Afinogenov - Much promise but stagnant in Buffalo. Left and had some success but never developed to potential. Push/Slightly worse Kotalik - Had potential to develop into power forward. Mainly Pp and shootout specialist who upped grit in playoffs. Left and stagnated. Push/worse Kalinin - Tons of potential but never developed nasty side. Left and was role player but never progressed. Push/worse Lydman - Played steady. Nothing great, nothing horrible. Left and is defensive shutdown and top +/-. Better Tallinder - Never progressed at great speed. Left and was lost on flailing team until recently. Push/TBD Biron - OK. Steady lockeroom presence. Left and did fairly well in 1A gig, but didn't thrive. Better backup than ever replaced with. Push Young guys when leaving system: Pyatt - Frustraiting lack of physical play. Light went on in '06 playoffs. Let go and has turned into steady 2 way player. Never a minus and leads Phoenix in goals and consistantly top few in hits. Much Better Paetch - Extra body pretty much everywhere. Push Bernier - Showed flashes but was outcast in 2 weeks. Played fairly well in vancouver but faded in Fla. Slightly better Paille - Became outcast in Buffalo slowly. Turned into nice 3/4 liner for Boston playoff team and has subsided. Push MacArthur - Gritty and inconsistant. Dealt before arbitration could hit. Thriving as top forward and Toronto turned down 1st and 3rd for him. Much better Kennedy - Extra body pushed into duty on young team. Seemed to progress but let go. Steady player used as extra body elsewhere. Push/TBD I think this is a pretty fair assesment. What seems to be the trend is that Rentals haven't fared well in Buffalo, but they haven't thrived much more anywhere else. More a sign of poor talent assesment from up top. Established vets seem to come in and play par for the course, and move on with no real acceleration or depreciation elsewhere. Can't praise or fault here. Vets that developed in Buffalo....here is the most ambiguous data. On one hand you can argue that for the most part these players did the same or worse once leaving Buffalo, but on the other hand you can argue that they spent so much time in the system that they were damaged goods when leaving. There was a lot of young potential there at one time with the majority never fulfilling both their expectations or contracts. It seems that guys that were always Buffalo property totally fizzle out, but young guys that were brought in before their prime and then left either outplayed their time in Buffalo, or didn't regress, Drury being the exception. Young players....here is the most damning data. Out of the 6 young guys let go, 4 didn't really matter, but 2 were obvious mistakes or were used the wrong way in Buffalo. Their value to current teams is much higher. While it isn't a huge sample, 33% burning you in the butt is not a great record. It really looks like if you are a good player with your skills already developed, Lindy and the Sabres don't really help or hurt much. If you are a young player in the system, either you progress elsewhere or are so burnt out by your extended stay in Buffalo that you never reach your potential. Other than Campbell....can you find a homegrown player that fully developed while in Buffalo and maintained a healthy level of play elsewhere? Lots of busts in my opinion. 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shrader Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Interesting stuff there GoDD. I have just one very minor point I'd like to add to it. I think you have to put pretty much all of the MacArthur, Lydman, Tallinder, Kennedy, and maybe Paille group into the TBA group. I'd like to see more time from them before they can be appropriately labeled. Would you still say MacArthur was much better if he followed up this year with 5 straight 10 goal seasons? Still, I guess this is the best we can do with what we have right now. And I want to pretty much throw the Torres', Moore's, and Zubrus' of the world completely out of this analysis. They weren't around nearly enough to know what impact Buffalo had on them. I'd almost include Kennedy on that last too, but he did have 2 years in the organization, plus rookie camps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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