Anybody fired after the Calgary debacle? Why not?

[LGR4GM]

10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Is this why the Sabres keep losing to bottom feeders? The players are concerned about Kev and Lindy not being extended? Interesting.

How come every time you respond to just about everyone, it's a condescending re-write of something the op didn't even say?

This team loses because it has bad coaches, not enough talent, and a weak core of on ice leaders. 

The Sabres are bottom feeders.

[PASabreFan]

Not sure who gaslights more, PTR or Wawrow. Does John agree to put out the company line (most recently the response to Dreger's throwaway comment on ownership change in which John asserts Terry will never sell the team because it's his "passion") in exchange for scoops and access?

How far apart are the words Pegula Sabres and passion?

[John Tucker]

TPegs doesn't give two sheetz about this franchise.  As long as seats are even partially filled, it's business as usual to him

[#freejame]

39 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Is this why the Sabres keep losing to bottom feeders? The players are concerned about Kev and Lindy not being extended? Interesting.

The team and staff both suck and are poorly constructed. Not a tough concept if you’ve paid attention the last decade and a half. 

[PASabreFan]

Maybe I've figured this out. Terry is not passionate about the franchise or the fans. He's passionate about owning both. 

"i just bought a hockey team."

Given a deal with the Hockey Gods... sell the team and the Sabres win a Cup in Year One Post-TP or own the team forever and never win one, I am 100% convinced I know what the answer would be.

Edited 3 hours ago by PASabreFan

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

How come every time you respond to just about everyone, it's a condescending re-write of something the op didn't even say?

This team loses because it has bad coaches, not enough talent, and a weak core of on ice leaders. 

The Sabres are bottom feeders.

Because we never point fingers at the players. We feel sorry for the players. We want them to leave because we see them as victims. They are like spoiled children.

All the stuff about the owner and GM are true but on ice level it's players playing the game. And when they start getting tired of all the losing and lose their love for the game, who is doing all the losing? Where is the respect for the fans that still show up and plunk down big money to watch them take a dump on the ice?

Another good episode from Baker and Fairburn on this very topic. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[#freejame]

20 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Because we never point fingers at the players. We feel sorry for the players. We want them to leave because we see them as victims. They are like spoiled children.

All the stuff about the owner and GM are true but on ice level it's players playing the game. And when they start getting tired of all the losing and lose their love for the game, who is doing all the losing? Where is the respect for the fans that still show up and plunk down big money to watch them take a dump on the ice?

Another good episode from Baker and Fairburn on this very topic. 

 

This simply isn’t true at all. 

[Weave]

30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Because we never point fingers at the players. We feel sorry for the players. We want them to leave because we see them as victims. They are like spoiled children.

All the stuff about the owner and GM are true but on ice level it's players playing the game. And when they start getting tired of all the losing and lose their love for the game, who is doing all the losing? Where is the respect for the fans that still show up and plunk down big money to watch them take a dump on the ice?

Another good episode from Baker and Fairburn on this very topic. 

 

This is sarcasm, right?

Just look at the titles on the threads on the front page.  The players are getting trashed by us on a daily basis.

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

How come every time you respond to just about everyone, it's a condescending re-write of something the op didn't even say?

This team loses because it has bad coaches, not enough talent, and a weak core of on ice leaders. 

The Sabres are bottom feeders.

 

37 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Because we never point fingers at the players. We feel sorry for the players. We want them to leave because we see them as victims. They are like spoiled children.

All the stuff about the owner and GM are true but on ice level it's players playing the game. And when they start getting tired of all the losing and lose their love for the game, who is doing all the losing? Where is the respect for the fans that still show up and plunk down big money to watch them take a dump on the ice?

Another good episode from Baker and Fairburn on this very topic. 

 

... I'm not used to getting proven right so quickly, so thxs I guess. 

[Believer]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

This team loses because it has bad coaches, not enough talent, and a weak core of on ice leaders. 

 

Agree 100%.

[msw2112]

I disagree that Terry doesn't care.  He does.  He simply doesn't know what to do.  He's tried many different formulas with GM and coach and none of them have worked.  If and when he make the right front office hire, things will improve.  Whether he's capable of making that "right hire" is another story.  It appears that Pegula knows how to run an oil company.  That doesn't mean he knows how to run a professional hockey team.

If the team is successful, it will sell more tickets, more beer and hot dogs, more jerseys and hats, etc.  If they make the playoffs, the building will be sold out at higher ticket prices.  All of this means more money in Pegula's pocket, so he wins both as a fan and as an owner.

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

This is sarcasm, right?

Just look at the titles on the threads on the front page.  The players are getting trashed by us on a daily basis.

Nah didn’t we all universally agree Eichel was in the right? I seem to remember him being resoundingly cheered in his return 

39 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

I disagree that Terry doesn't care.  He does.  He simply doesn't know what to do.  He's tried many different formulas with GM and coach and none of them have worked.  If and when he make the right front office hire, things will improve.  Whether he's capable of making that "right hire" is another story.  It appears that Pegula knows how to run an oil company.  That doesn't mean he knows how to run a professional hockey team.

If the team is successful, it will sell more tickets, more beer and hot dogs, more jerseys and hats, etc.  If they make the playoffs, the building will be sold out at higher ticket prices.  All of this means more money in Pegula's pocket, so he wins both as a fan and as an owner.

He doesn’t care about doing what is necessary to field a team that wins in the now. The problem for 14 years has been a lack of expectation and accountability 

[LTS]

What happens first?

Sabrespace posting new threads asking my Terrence Pegula has still not made changes or Terrence Pegula making a change? 😉

I'm going to start a new club called BSA, Buffalo Sabres Anonymous. It'll be for people who have finally decided enough is enough and want to quit the Sabres and need support in staying away.

Lord knows I need the help too.  It's been 2 days since I've given a damn about the Buffalo Sabres.  Well, I'm posting here, so maybe I'm back off the wagon?

 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

 

... I'm not used to getting proven right so quickly, so thxs I guess. 

Did you actually listen to the podcast or just the first 5-10 minutes?

[GASabresIUFAN]

There can be no accountability in this organization.  Players getting traded probably feel like they have been paroled from prison.

Coaches and GMs have been held accountable by being fired over and over again.  The real problem is the owner has no idea how to hire the right person to run the Sabres.  The two things he hasn’t done is hire an experienced president of hockey ops and an experienced GM.  Until Pegula does those two things and give them full control the Sabres are forever going to at the bottom of the standings.  

[pi2000]

2 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

This team loses because it has bad coaches, not enough talent, and a weak core of on ice leaders. 

Partially agree.  

They lose because, organizationally speaking... losing is acceptable.     

Nothing changes.... front office stays the same, coaches stay the same, players don't lose ice time, nobody is healthy scratched, waived or traded.    

The only changes are when players themselves decide they no longer want to be there. 

A winning organization holds their employees accountable.

[LGR4GM]

15 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said:

There can be no accountability in this organization.  Players getting traded probably feel like they have been paroled from prison.

Coaches and GMs have been held accountable by being fired over and over again.  The real problem is the owner has no idea how to hire the right person to run the Sabres.  The two things he hasn’t done is hire an experienced president of hockey ops and an experienced GM.  Until Pegula does those two things and give them full control the Sabres are forever going to at the bottom of the standings.  

Terry hires ppl that are like him. It's psychology. 

[msw2112]

34 minutes ago, Thorny said:

He doesn’t care about doing what is necessary to field a team that wins in the now. The problem for 14 years has been a lack of expectation and accountability 

My point was that he doesn't know what is necessary to field a team that wins now.  If he knew what to do/had a plan, he'd do it.  He's fired and replaced several GMs over the years (and coaches) and they've shipped out players.  None of it has worked.

[Carmel Corn]

3 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

Terry hires ppl that are like him. It's psychology. 

That and/or people who will listen to and obey him.

[Carmel Corn]

6 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

My point was that he doesn't know what is necessary to field a team that wins now.  If he knew what to do/had a plan, he'd do it.  He's fired and replaced several GMs over the years (and coaches) and they've shipped out players.  None of it has worked.

Sorry, but no….he knows enough to understand you have to hire professionals who have a track record of success vs. a bunch of first-time rookies (ex. Murray, Botterill and Adams were never head GM’s before).  He also knows you have to spend money (salary cap) vs. trying to save your way to prosperity.   What he doesn’t know is how to get out of the way and let true professionals run the team.  He thinks he’s part of the solution, but rather is the root of the problem.

[mjd1001]

1 hour ago, msw2112 said:

I disagree that Terry doesn't care.  He does.  He simply doesn't know what to do.  He's tried many different formulas with GM and coach and none of them have worked.  If and when he make the right front office hire, things will improve.  Whether he's capable of making that "right hire" is another story.  It appears that Pegula knows how to run an oil company.  That doesn't mean he knows how to run a professional hockey team.

If the team is successful, it will sell more tickets, more beer and hot dogs, more jerseys and hats, etc.  If they make the playoffs, the building will be sold out at higher ticket prices.  All of this means more money in Pegula's pocket, so he wins both as a fan and as an owner.

He might know what to do but he doesn't want to.

Hire a proven hockey guy, maybe a couple. Pay up to get them to come here, and sweeten the job by telling them its their show to run, all Terry asks is he be notified when money is going to be spent. Pegula needs to tell those guys he wants to hear the explanation behind their moves, but that he won't override their decisions.

It seem to have been a while since he was willing to give control to competant members of a front office and give them control/money/power to make their own decisions.

[LGR4GM]

Terry Pegula's problem is the same problem an entire host of people have. The Dunning-Kruger effect. Terry doesn't understand as much about hockey as he thinks but since his understanding is so limited/bad he overestimates his abilities OVER AND OVER. This is compounded by the fact he is a billionaire and when you are that wealthy, you have a very important super power. If you don't like what someone tells you, you just fire them and get someone to confirm the reality you want to live in. It is why the super rich are so out of touch when it comes to just about everything. When they hear things they don't like, they change them or insulate themselves so they don't have to hear it anymore. Bill Gates (I think it is him) grew a giant hedge around his property in LA which is against the zoning or HOA whatever and guess what, he doesn't care because the 10k fine a month is nothing. He has so much money that he just forces reality to his will. Terry is the same, it is why he has vanished from the public side of the Sabres. It went down hill, he didn't like the scrutiny, so now he shows up during important times, gets to play owner and make decisions, then flies on back to Florida where he basks in the success of the money printing NFL team he owns and the soon to open fancy new stadium. He built a hedge around his Sabres ownership so he doesn't have to see or hear the "WTF!" that is coming from the fanbase. 

[LGR4GM]

14 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

He might know what to do but he doesn't want to.

Hire a proven hockey guy, maybe a couple. Pay up to get them to come here, and sweeten the job by telling them its their show to run, all Terry asks is he be notified when money is going to be spent. Pegula needs to tell those guys he wants to hear the explanation behind their moves, but that he won't override their decisions.

It seem to have been a while since he was willing to give control to competant members of a front office and give them control/money/power to make their own decisions.

The closest thing we have to this is Jarmo Kekäläinen

[Thorny]

44 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

My point was that he doesn't know what is necessary to field a team that wins now.  If he knew what to do/had a plan, he'd do it.  He's fired and replaced several GMs over the years (and coaches) and they've shipped out players.  None of it has worked.

He hasn’t tried. The MO of every hire has been “patience”

 

[JohnC]

Was the owner the person who required that Jarmo be hired? Or did the owner tell the GM that he needed veteran help around him resulting in KA bringing in Jarmo? Or did KA go to the owner and tell him that he would like to add Jarmo to his staff? Just curious.