Bo Byram ultimate final prediction

[Rasmus_]

20 hours ago, Sabres Fan in NS said:

Kadri is the type of player the Sabres need.  Tough and can score.  He would look good with Tage.

If there was a sweetener with Kadri due to age and such Id be all about this.  Kadri put up quality numbers with an underperforming team starting a retool.

[Porous Five Hole]

6 hours ago, Rasmus_ said:

If there was a sweetener with Kadri due to age and such Id be all about this.  Kadri put up quality numbers with an underperforming team starting a retool.

 Better be the sweetest sweetener in world history.  Kadri will be 35 this season and is signed for three more years (and will have to waive his no trade clause—unlikely). I love the concept of Kadri, but not for three more years at 7MM to pay him until 38. 

[Rasmus_]

6 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

 Better be the sweetest sweetener in world history.  Kadri will be 35 this season and is signed for three more years (and will have to waive his no trade clause—unlikely). I love the concept of Kadri, but not for three more years at 7MM to pay him until 38. 

Im at the point that I'm looking at production and the ability for someone to help us make the playoffs.   I'm fine trading Byram for futures and then flipping said futures for on ice improvements.

[Porous Five Hole]

17 minutes ago, Rasmus_ said:

Im at the point that I'm looking at production and the ability for someone to help us make the playoffs.   I'm fine trading Byram for futures and then flipping said futures for on ice improvements.

Only thing is are you jealous of any other team who flipped futures for immediate on ice improvement? I don’t see that this type of trade is available.  Not absolving GMKA in any way, but I’m not sure that type of trade is correctly available. Maybe a washed Tarasanko?

[Night Train]

I Google news on the Sabres and all these zero rumors pop up daily. Trading him for draft picks. Still talking about the offer sheet after the move to basically block it. So much junk.

 Just have to wait but who really knows what Byram is asking and what is being offered in a player or players. Throw in some other guys I won't miss like Muel and many more. 

[dudacek]

I will be surprised if he’s traded.

I think the Sabres have chosen this path because they’ve seen the offers and they are legitimately not interested in them. If teams weren’t willing to up their offers before, this process isn’t likely to change their minds.

I just hope Buffalo is legitimately keeping him because he’s their best chance to win, and they still intend to pull the trigger on another forward.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

I will be surprised if he’s traded.

I think the Sabres have chosen this path because they’ve seen the offers and they are legitimately not interested in them. If teams weren’t willing to up their offers before, this process isn’t likely to change their minds.

I just hope Buffalo is legitimately keeping him because he’s their best chance to win, and they still intend to pull the trigger on another forward.

We're all hoping for that.  Hope ain't a plan.

[Broken Ankles]

  

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

I will be surprised if he’s traded.

I think the Sabres have chosen this path because they’ve seen the offers and they are legitimately not interested in them. If teams weren’t willing to up their offers before, this process isn’t likely to change their minds.

I just hope Buffalo is legitimately keeping him because he’s their best chance to win, and they still intend to pull the trigger on another forward.

  Based on what we have seen from Adams and Pegula, I'd be surprised if he isn’t traded, and furthermore traded for assets that net less AAV in  than expected AAV going out. All of his recent moves (as you astutely documented in another thread) outline a plan to add 'perceived' value while lowering the salary or long term commitment.   I'll add one that qualifies not in your list.  Jeff Skinner's $4.4M in buyout cap charges saves Pegula $2M this year, as his obligation to Jeff is $2.4.  Pegula was on the hook for $10M in 2024, and $7M in 2025 before the  Skinner buyout - and after he pays out the $2.4m Jeff is owed this year, it's a $12M savings in real dollars over two seasons. If Byram trade happens and it's for futures then I'm convinced that Terry is shopping the team.  There are only a few bad contracts, and maybe only Samuelsson is an albatross.  Can a $4.4M AAV qualify as an albatross-like contract? The GM, coaches, AGM all on their last year of a contract. It's what you would want if you are selling a team. Especially to a private equity group.  Mergers and acquisition flexibility - if you have an "asset-lite" structure, it would allow for an easier integration and repositioning strategy.  

[dudacek]

1 hour ago, Broken Ankles said:

  

  Based on what we have seen from Adams and Pegula, I'd be surprised if he isn’t traded, and furthermore traded for assets that net less AAV in  than expected AAV going out. All of his recent moves (as you astutely documented in another thread) outline a plan to add 'perceived' value while lowering the salary or long term commitment.   I'll add one that qualifies not in your list.  Jeff Skinner's $4.4M in buyout cap charges saves Pegula $2M this year, as his obligation to Jeff is $2.4.  Pegula was on the hook for $10M in 2024, and $7M in 2025 before the  Skinner buyout - and after he pays out the $2.4m Jeff is owed this year, it's a $12M savings in real dollars over two seasons. If Byram trade happens and it's for futures then I'm convinced that Terry is shopping the team.  There are only a few bad contracts, and maybe only Samuelsson is an albatross.  Can a $4.4M AAV qualify as an albatross-like contract? The GM, coaches, AGM all on their last year of a contract. It's what you would want if you are selling a team. Especially to a private equity group.  Mergers and acquisition flexibility - if you have an "asset-lite" structure, it would allow for an easier integration and repositioning strategy.  

If this is what’s going on, why the charade of arbitration?

Why not just take one of the futures assets deals already offered?

Also, why trade Cozens for an even bigger contract just a few months ago? The Norris deal pays near $2.5M more in actual salary this year and will cost Terry about $7M more in real money over the duration.

Edited 17 hours ago by dudacek

[Thorny]

40 minutes ago, dudacek said:

If this is what’s going on, why the charade of arbitration?

Why not just take one of the futures assets deals already offered?

Also, why trade Cozens for an even bigger contract just a few months ago? The Norris deal pays near $2.5M more in actual salary this year and will cost Terry about $7M more in real money over the duration.

The charade is the point: they deal in plausible deniability. PhD’s in it. 

When is the hearing anyway? I hear they run till august 4. Surely we can’t improve the roster until this is sorted out. I’m sure Adams WANTS to spend to the cap but in his defence I’m just not sure there’ll be much time left before camp opens, once the Bowen Byram situation is cleared up. Given the circumstances, he did ok. 

it’s all a sham 

Edited 16 hours ago by Thorny

[bunomatic]

2 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

  

  Based on what we have seen from Adams and Pegula, I'd be surprised if he isn’t traded, and furthermore traded for assets that net less AAV in  than expected AAV going out. All of his recent moves (as you astutely documented in another thread) outline a plan to add 'perceived' value while lowering the salary or long term commitment.   I'll add one that qualifies not in your list.  Jeff Skinner's $4.4M in buyout cap charges saves Pegula $2M this year, as his obligation to Jeff is $2.4.  Pegula was on the hook for $10M in 2024, and $7M in 2025 before the  Skinner buyout - and after he pays out the $2.4m Jeff is owed this year, it's a $12M savings in real dollars over two seasons. If Byram trade happens and it's for futures then I'm convinced that Terry is shopping the team.  There are only a few bad contracts, and maybe only Samuelsson is an albatross.  Can a $4.4M AAV qualify as an albatross-like contract? The GM, coaches, AGM all on their last year of a contract. It's what you would want if you are selling a team. Especially to a private equity group.  Mergers and acquisition flexibility - if you have an "asset-lite" structure, it would allow for an easier integration and repositioning strategy.  

We can dream. 

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, Broken Ankles said:

  

  Based on what we have seen from Adams and Pegula, I'd be surprised if he isn’t traded, and furthermore traded for assets that net less AAV in  than expected AAV going out. All of his recent moves (as you astutely documented in another thread) outline a plan to add 'perceived' value while lowering the salary or long term commitment.   I'll add one that qualifies not in your list.  Jeff Skinner's $4.4M in buyout cap charges saves Pegula $2M this year, as his obligation to Jeff is $2.4.  Pegula was on the hook for $10M in 2024, and $7M in 2025 before the  Skinner buyout - and after he pays out the $2.4m Jeff is owed this year, it's a $12M savings in real dollars over two seasons. If Byram trade happens and it's for futures then I'm convinced that Terry is shopping the team.  There are only a few bad contracts, and maybe only Samuelsson is an albatross.  Can a $4.4M AAV qualify as an albatross-like contract? The GM, coaches, AGM all on their last year of a contract. It's what you would want if you are selling a team. Especially to a private equity group.  Mergers and acquisition flexibility - if you have an "asset-lite" structure, it would allow for an easier integration and repositioning strategy.  

We can still sign Skinner for that open forward spot. He's still available. 

[Turbo44]

15 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

We can still sign Skinner for that open forward spot. He's still available. 

Oloffson too………pass

[Broken Ankles]

15 hours ago, dudacek said:

If this is what’s going on, why the charade of arbitration?

Why not just take one of the futures assets deals already offered?

Also, why trade Cozens for an even bigger contract just a few months ago? The Norris deal pays near $2.5M more in actual salary this year and will cost Terry about $7M more in real money over the duration.

 Thorny responded adequately for the charade question.  On surface it looks more probable than not Adams does not have what he views is a fair offer and holds onto the asset. And in that scenario I think you are banking on Bo’s motivation for a long term contact to exceed expectations and elevate the Defense.  

  The Norris contract does contradict my argument.  My only response is that realizing the $12m net savings from Jeffs buyout allowed Pegula to justify the additional $2.5m in 2025. Especially if Adams and the staff think Norris could improve the team over Cozens. They are still marching towards improvement. Weather or not it’s manifested is another story. If the plan  fails again this year, Pegula can then pull the proverbial chute and avoid his umpteenth rebuild.  

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Broken Ankles said:

 Thorny responded adequately for the charade question.  On surface it looks more probable than not Adams does not have what he views is a fair offer and holds onto the asset. And in that scenario I think you are banking on Bo’s motivation for a long term contact to exceed expectations and elevate the Defense.  

The Blues just traded Zack Bolduc to Montreal for defenseman Logan Mailloux. Would getting Bolduc been enough for Byram one-for-one?

[LGR4GM]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

The Blues just traded Zack Bolduc to Montreal for defenseman Logan Mailloux. Would getting Bolduc been enough for Byram one-for-one?

Again, this happened over a week ago. 

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, LGR4GM said:

Again, this happened over a week ago. 

 

 

I didn't know and it was the lead headline on the Athletics' NHL page today.

Edited 2 hours ago by PromoTheRobot

[Broken Ankles]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

The Blues just traded Zack Bolduc to Montreal for defenseman Logan Mailloux. Would getting Bolduc been enough for Byram one-for-one?

No.  The board would go crazy if he was traded 1/1 for an unproven ELC.  Didn’t watch enough St. Louis games to say,  but the pedigree and stats say not equal.