What Was the Multiple Day Presentation that Adams Layed Out For Pegula to Save His Job

[Weave]

15 minutes ago, Taro T said:

The Sabres have one - Dahlin.

[Taro T]

Just now, Weave said:

You ever see how good he is on this tire fire?  Imagine what he could do with teammates that can play this sport.

[Weave]

3 minutes ago, Taro T said:

You ever see how good he is on this tire fire?  Imagine what he could do with teammates that can play this sport.

Yeah, no.  You need a Rubber Man toy to stretch generational that far.

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

I understand the difficulty of the position we are in. Long standing acrimony and failure etc.... but you start by getting a FO that is capable and decorated and you begin by drafting and retaining your stars... the Eichels and Reinhardts and Montours... A dream that will never happen.... just not true... Edmonton doesn't have palm trees but they attract players and they went thru am abyss themselves... the Bills went thru it for 20 years... but they gained a competent FO and built around their stars... people come here for less money than they would get to go elsewhere and they play outside.  Green Bay would tell you the same thing... bottom line i get your lament and recognize the difficulty but this isn't about palm trees and taxes it's about culture and there is nothing wrong with Buffalo it's a great place to live for some.... LA NYC I would literally never want to live there not my style but to be sure its other peoples... different players would like different settings some love buffalo and stay ... Thomas Kelly Martin Ray Barnaby Hajt etc.. etc... others dont and leave... but to go anyplace to win and get paid well I dont think they care the city they do it in as long as they win... and if that is not their goal i dont want them 

We could go back and forth forever on this.  You say start with a capable and decorated FO and then use the Bills as an example and it's 100% not what happened to the Bills.  Even if that was true, we're not getting that for the Sabres.  I'm shocked we landed Jarmo TBH and it's some weird work from home role.  IDK man, we had Eichel for 33.33% more than he's been gone, we sucked.  Ok you want Eichel, Sam and who Montour?  Then you don't have Tage, Tuch and pick someone.  

If you think Buffalo, as a place to live, is attractive, then you're just not paying attention.  Kelly and Thurman like it because they wouldn't be adored if they lived anywhere else.  Ray wouldn't sniff the job opportunities he's gotten here, elsewhere.  C'mon.  The population has massively declined over the last 30 years and even since the 50's.  

You can laugh at palm trees and taxes all you'd like, but it's absolutely a factor.  It doesn't make me feel good to say that because I love Buffalo.  The people are fantastic, among the best even.  I feel one of the factors is because, the grind of being a Buffalonian brings out a character in them/us that can't be manufactured.  It produces an amazing community of people.  

Plenty of athletes have bought into that vibe and have absolutely realized something different than they thought.  But they thought it, because they all do.  

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by 7+6=13

[Broken Ankles]

2 hours ago, Weave said:

Yeah, no.  You need a Rubber Man toy to stretch generational that far.

Not a Calder winner, not a perennial all star, peaking at 6th in Norris voting, out pointed by a Dman taken 5 picks later in the same draft and started a full year later is evidence enough.  Court finds in favor of Weave. 

 

[JP51]

10 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

We could go back and forth forever on this.  You say start with a capable and decorated FO and then use the Bills as an example and it's 100% not what happened to the Bills.  Even if that was true, we're not getting that for the Sabres.  I'm shocked we landed Jarmo TBH and it's some weird work from home role.  IDK man, we had Eichel for 33.33% more than he's been gone, we sucked.  Ok you want Eichel, Sam and who Montour?  Then you don't have Tage, Tuch and pick someone.  

If you think Buffalo, as a place to live, is attractive, then you're just not paying attention.  Kelly and Thurman like it because they wouldn't be adored if they lived anywhere else.  Ray wouldn't sniff the job opportunities he's gotten here, elsewhere.  C'mon.  The population has massively declined over the last 30 years and even since the 50's.  

You can laugh at palm trees and taxes all you'd like, but it's absolutely a factor.  It doesn't make me feel good to say that because I love Buffalo.  The people are fantastic, among the best even.  I feel one of the factors is because, the grind of being a Buffalonian brings out a character in them/us that can't be manufactured.  It produces an amazing community of people.  

Plenty of athletes have bought into that vibe and have absolutely realized something different than they thought.  But they thought it, because they all do.  

 

 

We dont agree... although I find it interesting how you say Buffalo isnt a good place to live, then profess to love it there and its people... Accusing me of not paying attention or otherwise being dumb or ill informed  because I believe that with the right atmosphere and culture there will be players who would love living in Buffalo, currently do love it and or would be fine with it during the season is also interesting.

Using the Bills as an example attracting the best free agents on the market like Paup, Takeo Spikes, Ted Washington, Sam Adams, Billy Brooks, Quinn Early, etc when we contended in the 90's and the Von Millers, Joey Bosa's etc.. currently to illustrate what FO office competence and winning do to snow and taxes doesn't make me think you are dumb or ill informed because you don't think anyone would ever come here or like it...  .I simply just don't agree that we are fatalistically doomed because of our Geography and that there is a path to success... despite the lack of glamour...You don't... ok... hey, its your opinion fair enough.. You don't think any top players would think Buffalo is a worthy destination if we were an up and coming team... with a competent functional FO with a plan...  ok, fair enough... I do..

I think there are people who love it in Buffalo... and find it a great place to make a home... others will not... some folks will find LA or NY to be a great place to live... others will not...  just my opinion...  I read your reaction to my posts as stated above as if I am some kind of an ill informed naive fool... and hey again, your opinion.. think what you need too... but to disparage posters with what I am interpreting as condescension because they don't think like you is your personal choice... I choose not to do that, because I like others opinions... learn from them, gain different perspective... and again we disagree on that.  

Edited 3 hours ago by JP51

[DarthEbriate]

11 hours ago, 7+6=13 said:

Ok you want Eichel, Sam and who Montour?  Then you don't have Tage, Tuch and pick someone.  

This is incorrect. I did the numbers probably the season before last -- everyone fit under their then-current contracts, even Skinner and Ullmark.

Post ROR: If you chose to continue the patient build around Eichel, Reinhart, Tage, and Montour (and Dahlin, Ullmark) --- rather than rebuild around Dahlin and EEE --- you probably don't have Power (didn't re-tank and finish last -- or if you did still have that awful season, you'd have bridged him for cost  because you were already paying Montour to be 2D/PP2 but at less than Power is making now). You could always have traded for Tuch in a separate deal if you loved him and Granato could've still convinced Adams to trade for Greenway when MIN was selling him with other assets (I'm including because he was acquired with a 2nd from the Eichel deal).

[JP51]

13 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

This is incorrect. I did the numbers probably the season before last -- everyone fit under their then-current contracts, even Skinner and Ullmark.

Post ROR: If you chose to continue the patient build around Eichel, Reinhart, Tage, and Montour (and Dahlin, Ullmark) --- rather than rebuild around Dahlin and EEE --- you probably don't have Power (didn't re-tank and finish last -- or if you did still have that awful season, you'd have bridged him for cost  because you were already paying Montour to be 2D/PP2 but at less than Power is making now). You could always have traded for Tuch in a separate deal if you loved him and Granato could've still convinced Adams to trade for Greenway when MIN was selling him with other assets (I'm including because he was acquired with a 2nd from the Eichel deal).

I get what he is saying to a point but that isnt the point... and I agree with you the mix of player might be different or we could have arrived there in a different way for sure... but to me the concept is to identify those players that you have drafted that are special and build around them... You don't need to look past those players that you actually had like Ullmark who won a Vezina or  Oreilly, Montour, Eichel, Reinhardt that played significant leadership roles in cup winning teams to understand that your GM is clueless..  you had a generational player in Eichel that you lost because you wouldn't let him get a surgery that he preferred on his own body...  the repercussions of that go farther than the player and move to the type of organization that we are and will be with the next person that wants to make a decision in consultation with their physicians on what is best for them...  as opposed to your organizational meat grinder...  the lack of ability of the FO to identify when they have those types of players on the team and build around them is one of the major downfalls and reasons for this relegation to the abyss... 

Edited 2 hours ago by JP51

[GASabresIUFAN]

Did the presentation take days because that is how long it took Adams to put forth a coherent sentence?

[French Collection]

He had a cassette tape with him saying “I want to be here” on a loop along with slides of his childhood in Sabres pyjamas through his day with the Stanley Cup and his ascension through the ranks.

[PromoTheRobot]

I don't think Adams was ever in danger of being fired. 

[dudacek]

30 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I don't think Adams was ever in danger of being fired. 

And apparently he never will be.

[Thorny]

29 minutes ago, dudacek said:

And apparently he never will be.

Perhaps his presentation merely consisted of a summation of the argument above: “you know what, in actually I don’t think it was even possible to have configured one playoff team in 14 years. We tried. We proved a negative. Let’s save more money.”

What could we even have done? 

Edited 32 minutes ago by Thorny