Sabres Trade JJ Peterka to Utah for Defenseman Michael Kesselring and Forward Josh Doan

[That Aud Smell]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Friedman on the Fan 590 is adamant ADAMANT that Kesselring was a guy Adams was specifically targeting, and one league person told him earlier this summer “if one guy moves it’s Kesselring to Buffalo” 

so Adams focused on him as the guy we needed and traded what we needed to get him 

yeesh. that's a helluva way to back your way into dealing your cost-controlled first-line winger.

[klos1963]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

I think where I come down is that Peterka is likely to regress. 

Because players succeed in Buffalo and regress once they leave?

[bob_sauve28]

 

 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

 

We're (nearly) all expecting Kesselring to be Power's partner.  Is it likely he's actually pencilled in as Dahlin's partner?  Which would then put either Bernard-Docker or somebody not yet here as Power's new partner.

[Thorny]

 

[bob_sauve28]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

We're (nearly) all expecting Kesselring to be Power's partner.  Is it likely he's actually pencilled in as Dahlin's partner?  Which would then put either Bernard-Docker or somebody not yet here as Power's new partner.

I guess a lot depends on what happens tomorrow or in the days after 

[Jorcus]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

We're (nearly) all expecting Kesselring to be Power's partner.  Is it likely he's actually pencilled in as Dahlin's partner?  Which would then put either Bernard-Docker or somebody not yet here as Power's new partner.

With Lindy those combos could change from shift to shift. Nothing is long term with that guy behind the bench. 

[JP51]

30 minutes ago, Taro T said:

To us, the fans, this trade only makes sense if the Sabres are using that ~$5.5MM saved on someone the team needs.  From ownership's perspective it MAY make sense in that the Sabres got about 80% of what Peterka is worth AND ownership can hold ~$5.5MM in pocket.  As a couple of our Canadian posters have mentioned the fans and ownership/management don't necessarily have identical goals.

Would absolutely love to hear both Pegula's take on this and whether he intends to spend significantly more in salary than is presently indicated (provided his GM can actually bring in the talent worthy of that spending) and also what the team's "big 3" think of the move.

If the players think this move as is is good, am less disheartened by it, and if we end up seeing at least 2 of the following 3 things happen in the next 2 weeks: a partner for Dahlin is brought in, a GOOD top 6 (if not a GREAT top 6) F is brought in (preferably another C; figure out who plays W later, have depth at that slot), &/or a known good goaltender is brought in; will be ok with last night's move.  

I think your last point is big... how does this play in the locker room... if it serves to discourage and disgruntle players big mistake huge.... if it is addition by subtraction and players like the fact that we are getting some folks that will actually initiate contact and not hide under the bench and we get some grit well then it may be the right move...  I think I said before, I think talent wise we lost... the only way we will is if the addition enhances the chemistry and attitude of the team and if the subtraction helps send that message. But I think the result will be seen in the locker room over time.  To be continued... 

[bob_sauve28]

Not sure if this is real or just some shots taken from the James Webb telescope, but here it is: 

 

 

[Drag0nDan]

6 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

 

 

Lol at peterkas lunge there.  

[7+6=13]

3 hours ago, Thorny said:

This is the genius of the sabres. We can draft a guy, tailor our entire timeline to him and his group, screw up his contract, win nothing, trade him for nothing, and have it claimed we have “already won.”

it’s literally bizarro world. I don’t have the level of bias to keep up with you guys, I legitimately thought I could fan but I can’t fan THAT much. I mean holy cow 

That's what you're missing.  You are being fanatic enough but that's not the critical skill needed.  At some point you have to be quiet while the adults talk.  

[Brawndo]

Servalli reporting that Jordan Kyrou was available in exchange for Peterka.

 

So that’s Rossi and Kyrou that we know of 

[7+6=13]

18 minutes ago, klos1963 said:

Because players succeed in Buffalo and regress once they leave?

Do you mean like Skinner, Mitts and Cozens?

[shrader]

21 minutes ago, That Aud Smell said:

yeesh. that's a helluva way to back your way into dealing your cost-controlled first-line winger.

I’m not so sure your definition of cost controlled matches mine. You’d have to still be on your ELC for that, at least in my mind. 

[Thorny]

Just now, Brawndo said:

Servalli reporting that Jordan Kyrou was available in exchange for Peterka.

 

So that’s Rossi and Kyrou that we know of 

 

[Drag0nDan]

Just now, Brawndo said:

Servalli reporting that Jordan Kyrou was available in exchange for Peterka.

 

So that’s Rossi and Kyrou that we know of 

Gotta think that kyrou ones not 1 for 1, especially with peterka's contract demands.  Also doesn't really fix the rather broken defense.  I like the player though.  

[Jorcus]

1 hour ago, Drag0nDan said:

Most GM's don't get a chance to right their wrongs - he is for... some stupid reason.  

In any case - we all watched cozens who was supposed to be a 30G center and he was a gaping black hole on the ice.  Shipped him out and they looked better even with norris missing the rest of the season.  

Buying out skinner was a weird move, but he was invisible on a cup contender so that probably says all you need to say there.

Since you brought up Skinner this deal does help the Sabres over next year which is the worst of the buy out at 6.444 Million. 

[Thorny]

6 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Servalli reporting that Jordan Kyrou was available in exchange for Peterka.

 

So that’s Rossi and Kyrou that we know of 

Gross malpractice lol 

 

[That Aud Smell]

7 minutes ago, shrader said:

I’m not so sure your definition of cost controlled matches mine. You’d have to still be on your ELC for that, at least in my mind. 

yeah that's fair - my bad

[Brawndo]

I was worried Adams was going to narrow down trade options for Byram looking for a RHD, did not expect him to do it with his best trade asset. 
 

I imagine if they had waited to move Cozens until the offseason there would have been more suitors. 
 

I am worried about Kesselring ability to play up the lineup for the Sabres, not because of the player, but the organization’s track record with defenseman outside Dahlin lately is suspect at best. 
 

The second last year for Beck and now this trade shows concerning behavior with some asset evaluation. 
 

And I do like Kesselring, Doan and Malenstyn on the roster. 

[Thorny]

3 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

I was worried Adams was going to narrow down trade options for Byram looking for a RHD, did not expect him to do it with his best trade asset. 
 

I imagine if they had waited to move Cozens until the offseason there would have been more suitors. 
 

I am worried about Kesselring ability to play up the lineup for the Sabres, not because of the player, but the organization’s track record with defenseman outside Dahlin lately is suspect at best. 
 

The second last year for Beck and now this trade shows concerning behavior with some asset evaluation. 
 

And I do like Kesselring, Doan and Malenstyn on the roster. 

Banking on limited usage and hoping it extrapolates is what the Sabres do. So lazy. 

Just horrendous mechanics leading to this deal 

you know what, I’m starting to think there’s a at least a *chance* Kevyn Adams might not be a great general manager 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thorny

[JoeSchmoe]

How about Power's injury? Any updates there?

[Thorny]

It’s a good place to start re: prediction for a Byram deal. Think player with good metrics in more limited minutes we think we can bump up to a larger role 

Remember: we aren’t looking for a guy with proven results, here: we are looking for someone unproven in an impact role but theoretically potentially able to play one 

Edited 4 hours ago by Thorny

[Brawndo]

1 minute ago, JoeSchmoe said:

How about Power's injury? Any updates there?

He avoided surgery and should be go to go for training camp 

[darksabre]

15 minutes ago, Brawndo said:

Servalli reporting that Jordan Kyrou was available in exchange for Peterka.

 

So that’s Rossi and Kyrou that we know of 

Kyrou would have been a nice get but I have to assume the Sabres would have been adding a LOT more than Peterka in that deal...