Time to trade Peterka

[Jorcus]

16 hours ago, Palm Trees And Taxes said:

If JJ Peterka signs an offer sheet with NY, the AAV would make the  compensation be a 1st, 2nd and a 3rd. IF the Sabres were able to land another top forward like a Jason Robertson, or even a Jordan Kyrou (who is rumored to be available), I would gladly let JJ walk for that compensation.

 

I just can't see the Rangers being able to do this. They would need to take the following steps. 

1) give up this years number 12 draft pick so they can get next years first round draft pick back. 

2) Convince Utah to take the 3rd round pick they have this year instead of the second round pick they have rights to next year.

3) Give us an unprotected 1st round pick plus a second and a third next year.  (do they think they are going to be better next year after dealing away all those players) ?

4) Find enough money to pay JJ  around 9 million a year to prevent us from matching it. 

As a counter measure we could deal with Utah to steal the rangers pick and prevent them from even trying to do this. 

This could be fun!

 

[Drag0nDan]

4 minutes ago, inkman said:

You mean how Rangers fans wouldn’t give up Kakko or Laff for Eichel. Yeah I’m done with that too. 

Instead of Kakko being the key piece in an eichel trade, they got borgen and some late picks.  Laff is also now getting 7+ aav and playing like cozens.  

[LGR4GM]

29 minutes ago, inkman said:

You mean how Rangers fans wouldn’t give up Kakko or Laff for Eichel. Yeah I’m done with that too. 

We'll trade an old MSG hot dog, no bun, this subway card we found with no money on, and a 7th round pick in 2057 for Jack Eichel. Asking for anything else is unreasonable. 

- every f-ing nyr fan that summer and half the media

[Porous Five Hole]

2 hours ago, darksabre said:

I'm not interested in stats as justification for chaining ourselves to players who don't get it done when it counts. We've been playing that game for like 20 years on this site.

How many massive losing streaks have Tage Thompson's Sabres experienced? 

What's Tage bringing to this team when he's getting shoved off the puck in the corners despite being 6 foot 6?

Guess the Sabres shouldn't have traded Pierre Turgeon either. 

Anyone still showing up is a fool anyway. 

I think you’re misplacing blame for the team’s failures. 

[darksabre]

9 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I think you’re misplacing blame for the team’s failures. 

Who should I blame instead? Joel Giambra? 

[Porous Five Hole]

1 hour ago, darksabre said:

Who should I blame instead? Joel Giambra? 

::gestures wildly at everything except our two or three best players::

[darksabre]

4 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

::gestures wildly at everything except our two or three best players::

Just because they're our best players doesn't mean they're worth a sack of potatoes. 

[LGR4GM]

You can always find a Rangers fan... also Buffalo desperately needs knew coaching. 

 

 

[LGR4GM]

I can't help but wonder if Peterka is about to hit a regression. His sh% isn't insanely high, was a bit above his avg last year but his shots were down. Hmm, he's a tricky case because even the eye test tells us there's some cause for concern. 

[Archie Lee]

3 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You can always find a Rangers fan... also Buffalo desperately needs knew coaching. 

 

 

So true. Benson is an outlier who is simply a good 200ft player.  Benson would have good d-metrics in any system because he is defensively responsible and committed. The narrative a year ago was that players were craving structure and accountability. Adams and Pegula see Ruff as the sort of old school coach that demands from players what they perceive to have been missing; but a closer examination would have allowed them to conclude that Ruff hasn’t been that coach for some time (if he ever truly was). This team needed a Hynes or an Evason. 

[SwampD]

Why do we always have to trade our better players?

I guess we just can’t have nice things.

[LGR4GM]

13 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

So true. Benson is an outlier who is simply a good 200ft player.  Benson would have good d-metrics in any system because he is defensively responsible and committed. The narrative a year ago was that players were craving structure and accountability. Adams and Pegula see Ruff as the sort of old school coach that demands from players what they perceive to have been missing; but a closer examination would have allowed them to conclude that Ruff hasn’t been that coach for some time (if he ever truly was). This team needed a Hynes or an Evason. 

Ruff benched Benson for taking a penalty while the rest of the team plays defense like trash. Ruff is a fake tough guy coach and he's unfair.

3 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Why do we always have to trade our better players?

I guess we just can’t have nice things.

As always and has been repeatedly said here, depends what we trade him for. If it's Robertson, sweet. 

[Flashsabre]

4 hours ago, LGR4GM said:

You can always find a Rangers fan... also Buffalo desperately needs knew coaching. 

 

 

Alas if only there was a top shelf NHL coach available with no coaching vacancies to fill league wide at the moment….oh wait.

[Archie Lee]

1 minute ago, SwampD said:

Why do we always have to trade our better players?

I guess we just can’t have nice things.

This is my fear. While there have been no real credible rumours this off-season, the two things that have been whispered are:

- Byram to San Jose for pieces with the big piece being #30 overall; and 

- We are interested in Rakell or Rust from Pittsburgh and they like Helenius. 

I look at those two scenarios and see us trading maybe the best player right now in Byram, who is only 24 and plays a position where it is hard to find really good players,  and the best future asset in Helenius who might be a middle 6 NHL centre, for an older winger with depreciating skills and value and a late 1st in a not strong draft. 

I know these things haven’t happened. And I know I have advocated for acquiring Rust. But these would be, in my view, the desperate moves of a man trying to save his job and not the calculated moves of a skilled GM. 

[DarthEbriate]

17 minutes ago, Archie Lee said:

This is my fear. While there have been no real credible rumours this off-season, the two things that have been whispered are:

- Byram to San Jose for pieces with the big piece being #30 overall; and 

- We are interested in Rakell or Rust from Pittsburgh and they like Helenius. 

I look at those two scenarios and see us trading maybe the best player right now in Byram, who is only 24 and plays a position where it is hard to find really good players,  and the best future asset in Helenius who might be a middle 6 NHL centre, for an older winger with depreciating skills and value and a late 1st in a not strong draft. 

I know these things haven’t happened. And I know I have advocated for acquiring Rust. But these would be, in my view, the desperate moves of a man trying to save his job and not the calculated moves of a skilled GM. 

I don't want Rust. Rakell would be OK, but that's just Tuch insurance. Getting Rakell means Tuch walks next summer and I think that's a significant downgrade to the roster. Now -- Rakell, plus a trade return for Tuch might be an improvement-- but that'd be very dependent on the return.

Sheevyn is not a skilled GM, but I think you can take solace in that I don't think he needs to be worried about his job. He listens to Pegula and that's all that he needs to do to stay involved at the highest level within this organization.

[Taro T]

59 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Why do we always have to trade our better players?

I guess we just can’t have nice things.

As already replied, as it happens to turn out, if one of the Sabres best players goes out and an even better player comes back, well guess we MIGHT be able to have nice things. 

(Of course, if Robertson did come back in a Peterka trade, no doubt at the last team practice before opening night Quinn will lose an edge in the warm up skate crashing into an unexpecting Robertson which causes his knee to blow out.  All while Peterka becomes a 50 goal scorer while wearing flourescent green.  So, guess we really can't have nice things.)

[Pimlach]

1 hour ago, Archie Lee said:

This is my fear. While there have been no real credible rumours this off-season, the two things that have been whispered are:

- Byram to San Jose for pieces with the big piece being #30 overall; and 

- We are interested in Rakell or Rust from Pittsburgh and they like Helenius. 

I look at those two scenarios and see us trading maybe the best player right now in Byram, who is only 24 and plays a position where it is hard to find really good players,  and the best future asset in Helenius who might be a middle 6 NHL centre, for an older winger with depreciating skills and value and a late 1st in a not strong draft. 

I know these things haven’t happened. And I know I have advocated for acquiring Rust. But these would be, in my view, the desperate moves of a man trying to save his job and not the calculated moves of a skilled GM. 

I am opposed to either of these trades.  

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

I am opposed to either of these trades.  

Personally, am expecting the next results of the next 30 days or so worth of wheeling and dealing to be significantly underwhelming and also expect to dislike the net effect of all the moves.  (But will likely talk myself into believing it isn't that bad by the time October 5 or so rolls around.  😢 )

But, if, at the end of that span either the top 6 F's and G are better on paper than they were today or the top 4D and G are better on paper than they are today; will have to consider that a win.  Don't have a lot of hope all 3 will be better on paper a month from now.  And have 0 hope the coaching will be better then than now.

[steveoath]

Is there any actual evidence Peterka wants to leave and won’t resign? Or is this all speculation based on that Frank Seravalli halfwit’s ramblings. 

[dudacek]

57 minutes ago, steveoath said:

Is there any actual evidence Peterka wants to leave and won’t resign? Or is this all speculation based on that Frank Seravalli halfwit’s ramblings. 

Even Seravalli explicitly stopped short of saying Peterka won't re-sign.

The fact of the matter that seems to get forgotten in the hype and recent trend of locking young players up long-term is that Peterka has no arbitration rights and is under Sabre control for another 4 years. the team has the hammer.

He can sign an offer sheet and risk the Sabres matching. Or he can hold out.

Not sure he has any other leverage here if he actually wants to move.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, dudacek said:

Even Seravalli explicitly stopped short of saying Peterka won't re-sign.

The fact of the matter that seems to get forgotten in the hype and recent trend of locking young players up long-term is that Peterka has no arbitration rights and is under Sabre control for another 4 years. the team has the hammer.

He can sign an offer sheet and risk the Sabres matching. Or he can hold out.

Not sure he has any other leverage here if he actually wants to move.

His only other leverage would be to publicly state "I don't want to be a Sabre anymore" to test Adams' "we only want guys that want to be here" rhetoric.  And even Adams can't be so stupid as to Larry Quinn himself into a move.  ("We will match ANY offer Thomas Vanek receives."  Idjit.)

[DarthEbriate]

11 minutes ago, Taro T said:

His only other leverage would be to publicly state "I don't want to be a Sabre anymore" to test Adams' "we only want guys that want to be here" rhetoric.  And even Adams can't be so stupid as to Larry Quinn himself into a move.  ("We will match ANY offer Thomas Vanek receives."  Idjit.)

This is the way leverage. Adams/Pegula are vocal, and have honored, that if you have asked for a trade -- they will move you. Then, you bide your time.

To expedite it, JJP and his agent could agree to only a one-year deal with the Sabres or only a one-year offer sheet (which the Sabres can match). Then, continue with the trade demand and play well to up the value.

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There is a nuclear option. Demand a trade, then sit out. If they don't cave by Dec 1, he could take the season off and play in Germany. The Sabres will trade him (or in Nylander's situation, give him the giant contract); they can't afford this kind of tarnish on their franchise because they'll be right back in rebuild mode and all the players will be just waiting to leave. This will decrease his value temporarily, but he's 23 and a solid NHL season -- in a non-Buffalo location -- will re-up his value quickly for a good contract. Whenever he does get free, he can also state: it's not about the money, it's about playing for a franchise that wants to win. GMs will eat that up and be happy to get him a solid prove-it deal (2 or 3 years, $4Mish) and he can get one big contract at age 28. Everyone around the league will just say, "That's Buffalo and Pegula/Adams being who they are. Don't blame the players who were in Buffalo, they can go on to great things once they're free."

All this to say, I hope he signs with the Sabres, and then gets the coaching and teammates and structure who help him become a 200' player and consistent scorer.