Jason Robertson rumored to be on the trade block

[DarthEbriate]

Unless, of course, they're still EEE and will be operating $6M under the cap again this season, with another $4.4M reserved for Skinner's cap hit. In which case, there's no need to worry about Robertson.

[Drag0nDan]

https://puckpedia.com/team/dallas-stars

I'm not going to worry much about buffalo's cap because there's a number of players they could potentially move to accomodate.

Dallas is losing - Duchene, Benn, Granlund, Dadonov and doesn't have a lot of cap space - excluding the NMC's for Rantanen, Seguin, Heiskanen and Hintz.  Adding in the trade protected marchment, and Lindell.  They still have a number of people to work with, the biggest being Johnston Robertson or Oettinger. 

Johnston's a 22 year old center averaging nearly 30-30 over his 3 pro seasons, plays on both PP and PK - we can assume they'll want to hang onto him. 

Robertson's also expected to be much pricier on the next deal probably close to 12M AAV.  They need to lessen the cap burden in 2025, which makes peterka a tough sell as he's expecting to get just about the same number as the 7.75 that Robertson has.  Tuch's 4.75 does lessen that, his projected extension is less than 12, an nhl ready prospect, and a pick might get it done to allow them to bring back their captain (Benn).  

Oettinger has no trade protection this year, and I'd assume they want Levi coming back.  Adding this layer probably makes peterka's extension easier for them to work with.  Something this big and juicy needs a third team though.  If buffalo were to come out with Robertson and Oettinger, they're moving a lot of stuff - probably too many 21-year-old's for one team to want.  

Edited Tuesday at 05:44 PM by Drag0nDan

[inkman]

[klos1963]

20 hours ago, thewookie1 said:

Biggest issue with Robertson is he’s 1 year to UFA and he’s going to be looking for Dahlin money which we don’t exactly have

Even bigger issue is that he'd likely not want to sign an extension here, regardless of the money. 

That's the underlying issue with any top player on the market. 

[Mr. Allen]

52 minutes ago, inkman said:

We have an advantage over those two teams.  
I would think that although not a threat, Stars would likely not want to trade him to a Western team like Anaheim.  
And as far as I can tell, no player wants to go to a Canadian team currently more than a poorly run organization such as ours. 

[LGR4GM]

1 hour ago, klos1963 said:

Even bigger issue is that he'd likely not want to sign an extension here, regardless of the money. 

That's the underlying issue with any top player on the market. 

Nah, I'll worry about that later. Make the trade and if he won't sign you're moving an RFA in a year. Be bold now though and get this team winning. 

[PerreaultForever]

6 hours ago, JP51 said:

Here is where I get concerned... 1 year deal, do we trade those assets away for a 1 year rental... if you do the deal it needs to come with a contract extension. 

I personally would be reluctant to trade Helenius, I honestly see his attitude as part of a solution... I am not saying i wouldnt but I would really need to be sold on the player... 

Quite possible but he's a later and I want now. No more waiting and as such no prospect is untouchable for me. 

[Brawndo]

Remember when the Sabres took Marcus Davidsson two picks before Jason Robertson. 
 

 

[PerreaultForever]

Trade Norris for Utah's 4th. Then trade our 9th for Necas and the 4th for Robertson. Byram to San Jose for enough capital to get Dobson. Sprinkle whatever fairy dust you need around to make this all happen, Peterka for Cuylle if he still wants out after those moves. Add a tough guy. Ready to go. 

[Pimlach]

9 hours ago, PerreaultForever said:

Trade Norris for Utah's 4th. Then trade our 9th for Necas and the 4th for Robertson. Byram to San Jose for enough capital to get Dobson. Sprinkle whatever fairy dust you need around to make this all happen, Peterka for Cuylle if he still wants out after those moves. Add a tough guy. Ready to go. 

Didn’t Neces  already say no to a Buffalo trade?  Why would Utah trade 4OA for Norris?  

Edited yesterday at 01:23 PM by Pimlach

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Didn’t Necessarily already say no to a Buffalo trade?  Why would Utah trade 4OA for Norris?  

Yeah Necas essentially killed a trade to us as stated wouldn't sign here https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/sabres-almost-landed-hurricanes-star-forward

Edited yesterday at 04:18 PM by The Jokeman

[Mr. Allen]

15 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Didn’t Neces  already say no to a Buffalo trade?  Why would Utah trade 4OA for Norris?  

That’s what all the fairy dust is for.  

[DarthEbriate]

33 minutes ago, Pimlach said:

Didn’t Neces  already say no to a Buffalo trade?  Why would Utah trade 4OA for Norris?  

Their GM wants to be fired?

They can go get Sam Bennett (or Tavares) to pair with Logan Coolley, with Tij Iginla on the way. And #4 overall: Hagens, Martone, McQueen?   And instead they would choose a 2C who has played more than 56 games once in his career -- and pay him 7M?

[CallawaySabres]

I have zero doubt that Utah will make the playoffs before Buffalo

[inkman]

19 hours ago, Mr. Allen said:

We have an advantage over those two teams.  
I would think that although not a threat, Stars would likely not want to trade him to a Western team like Anaheim.  
And as far as I can tell, no player wants to go to a Canadian team currently more than a poorly run organization such as ours. 

Still discouraging as I haven’t heard the Sabres mentioned in any rumor, as fleeting as they may be. 

[LGR4GM]

12 minutes ago, inkman said:

Still discouraging as I haven’t heard the Sabres mentioned in any rumor, as fleeting as they may be. 

They rarely are though. We didn't hear any McLeod news until it happened. There were Cozens rumors but I feel like it was 24hrs before when it sounded like names were out there in terms of Norris and Cozens.

[inkman]

7 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

They rarely are though. We didn't hear any McLeod news until it happened. There were Cozens rumors but I feel like it was 24hrs before when it sounded like names were out there in terms of Norris and Cozens.

I’ll hold out hope until I see what paltry return some hated team of ours gives for Robertson, Rossi and the like.  ☹️

31 minutes ago, CallawaySabres said:

I have zero doubt that Utah will make the playoffs before Buffalo

Also, what a perfect way to slide into Boliva (Tyson reference for old heads like me).  He can go from the hockey media capital of the world to a place that needs icing explained every game. 

[Taro T]

39 minutes ago, LGR4GM said:

They rarely are though. We didn't hear any McLeod news until it happened. There were Cozens rumors but I feel like it was 24hrs before when it sounded like names were out there in terms of Norris and Cozens.

 

Since Brandon and Berchtold got shown the door, they've been pretty tight lipped at 1BD and SHKIIIP.

And with players & staff (at those that haven't been canned by teams not afraid to can people in the front office/hockey departments) and staff still under contract until the end of this month, there aren't a lot of sources besides player agents to be dropping names.  It isn't likely a rival GM is going to be too aggressive saying they're interested in a particular player when he's under contract to another team unless a deal is imminent; tampering provisions and all.

[Rasmus_]

Robertson is such an Adams target as far as checking boxes.  He needs a win now producer, who also plays a two way game in their prime.  This is NOT only an obvious hope for Sabres fans, it's an obvious choice for that blithering idiot with the GM hat on. 

[Archie Lee]

In a vacuum, I would be excited for a Robertson acquisition. I’m not sure it would be a slam-dunk though. Robertson’s production and defensive metrics have been produced while playing almost exclusively with one of the best two-way centres in the NHL (Hintz), on one of the league’s top 5 teams, under elite head coaches (Bowness, then DeBoer). I would not go so far as to say he is fully a product of his environment (clearly he is talented), but we might be trading for a 70 point winger whose great two-way metrics were driven by his centre and team structure. 

[inkman]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25201648-8-trade-landing-spots-jason-robertson-amid-nhl-rumors
 

[PerreaultForever]

5 hours ago, Pimlach said:

Didn’t Neces  already say no to a Buffalo trade?  Why would Utah trade 4OA for Norris?  

idk I'm just throwing names around. Disgruntled player for an American born player. Colorado wants to win now so I doubt they'd want prospects. 

While I do not think anyone on Sabres should be untouchable, for me the primary trade capital is Peterka, Quinn, Norris, Byram, Samuelsson. Arguably some of them might not be considered overly valuable after last season but they are young enough that some teams might see upside as well. Add to that picks and the entire Rochester cupboard except Levi. If you can use any of that in any way to improve this roster do it. 

[inkman]

[ponokasabre]

12 minutes ago, inkman said:

This is def the type of forward we dont have, id be all over this, especially if we use Quinn to aqcuire a defensman, Marchment would do extremley well here, out Laff and Cliffton, Hello Marchment, although I beleive he has a partial no move

[DarthEbriate]

53 minutes ago, ponokasabre said:

This is def the type of forward we dont have, id be all over this, especially if we use Quinn to aqcuire a defensman, Marchment would do extremley well here, out Laff and Cliffton, Hello Marchment, although I beleive he has a partial no move

Per capwages he has a 10-team no trade list. That's 1/3 of the league which means Buffalo is likely on it. 

If you can convince him to waive the NTC...  RFA Quinn with 2 years of control for 1 year of Marchment? Who says no? And if no, what pick(s) balance it out.

Dallas gets a kid who can score and has untapped potential and might just pop with another year clear from his injuries and the "no longer in Buffalo" issues; Buffalo gets a another Zucker/Greenway experienced guy. Overpaid, but fully capable of 20 goals and being a punk. He also plays on the edge of safe and will likely get suspended for a couple games, which frankly, this team could use one guy like that.