Sabres looking for Senior Advisor for Adams and Hockey Department

[Ogelthorpe]

Talk about hijacking a post. Troll

[shrader]

Things always go so well around here when it gets personal. 

[PASabreFan]

39 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Mel Torme.

 

iykyk

... the whole world scolds with yoouuu

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[7+6=13]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

You don't like the vibe of the board, and blame the folks who have been following the team for sometimes over fifty years for lamenting the disaster that is the Pegula owned Sabres? Too bad. Make a counterargument with specifics as to why TP and KA should not be excoriated for their actions. See if it stands up to scrutiny.

I'm not a TP or KA apologist.  That's not what I'm communicating.  It's what gets thrown back every time when I, every once in a while, object to the incessant negativity.  

Why too bad?  What you're essentially saying is, then don't come here if you don't like the vibe.  I didn't tell you to leave or stop posting.  Why isn't everyone allowed to express their thoughts?  

I posted as someone that wishes we could return to what this community was.  We don't need TP or KA, etc to turn it around.  I know as an emperical fact, I'm not alone.

Every time Taro posts about rules it's enlightening. Every time LGR posts about prospects and draft picks it's a must read.  Anytime Tom Webster posts, you should read it.  

[SwampD]

3 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I'm not a TP or KA apologist.  That's not what I'm communicating.  It's what gets thrown back every time when I, every once in a while, object to the incessant negativity.  

Why too bad?  What you're essentially saying is, then don't come here if you don't like the vibe.  I didn't tell you to leave or stop posting.  Why isn't everyone allowed to express their thoughts?  

I posted as someone that wishes we could return to what this community was.  We don't need TP or KA, etc to turn it around.  I know as an emperical fact, I'm not alone.

Every time Taro posts about rules it's enlightening. Every time LGR posts about prospects and draft picks it's a must read.  Anytime Tom Webster posts, you should read it.  

Isn’t that exactly what you keep saying?

The only thing more annoying than the TP and KA bashing taking over every thread is you then making every thread about you and how you’ve been wronged. There is a whole lot of mirror gazing that needs to happen on every side.

[Flashsabre]

8 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I'm not a TP or KA apologist.  That's not what I'm communicating.  It's what gets thrown back every time when I, every once in a while, object to the incessant negativity.  

Why too bad?  What you're essentially saying is, then don't come here if you don't like the vibe.  I didn't tell you to leave or stop posting.  Why isn't everyone allowed to express their thoughts?  

I posted as someone that wishes we could return to what this community was.  We don't need TP or KA, etc to turn it around.  I know as an emperical fact, I'm not alone.

Every time Taro posts about rules it's enlightening. Every time LGR posts about prospects and draft picks it's a must read.  Anytime Tom Webster posts, you should read it.  

The owner has owned the team for 14 seasons and has not once made the playoffs. What are people on the board supposed to be happy about? Why does Kevyn have a job? Why was he hired?

What are the positives about Kevyn’s 5+ years as GM and Terry’s 14 years as owner are we supposed to be thrilled about?

And why do you get to decide what we are to discuss or not discuss on this board?  No one has to visit the board and no one has to post.

All the posters still here after 14 straight years of failure deserves a special award for perseverance.

People are fed up because it’s been 14 years of failure and they have learned absolutely nothing. They are making all the same mistakes that have lead this franchise to being the laughingstock of the league.

Edited yesterday at 04:03 PM by Flashsabre

[Thorny]

1 hour ago, SwampD said:

Did it really take 5 years for Terry and Kevyn to realize that Kevyn doesn’t know what he is doing?!

That’s rather troubling.

Because Adams sold the idea it would take that long. That was the chief farce 

[Weave]

47 minutes ago, shrader said:

Things always go so well around here when it gets personal. 

I’m just amazed that anyone around here still has that much passion left.

[Pimlach]

Did the Sabres hire an executive level Senior Advisor yet? 

 

 

[7+6=13]

22 minutes ago, SwampD said:

Isn’t that exactly what you keep saying?

The only thing more annoying than the TP and KA bashing taking over every thread is you then making every thread about you and how you’ve been wronged. There is a whole lot of mirror gazing that needs to happen on every side.

I absolutely understand that I'm annoying.  In the same way it's annoying to hear the same exact negative things being repeated.

I disagree that it's "every" thread that I challenge the negative posters. You don't think the black hole most threads dive into are outnumbering?  It's not about me either, it's about posters that feel the same as I do.

Won't you agree, at least, that it's fair that we annoy each other and not just one group gets to annoy the other? 

[SwampD]

1 minute ago, 7+6=13 said:

I absolutely understand that I'm annoying.  In the same way it's annoying to hear the same exact negative things being repeated.

I disagree that it's "every" thread that I challenge the negative posters. You don't think the black hole most threads dive into are outnumbering?  It's not about me either, it's about posters that feel the same as I do.

Won't you agree, at least, that it's fair that we annoy each other and not just one group gets to annoy the other? 

I’ve said what I had to say and have no desire to say more on the topic.

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

Won't you agree, at least, that it's fair that we annoy each other and not just one group gets to annoy the other? 

Disagree.  Many posters have different opinions, but only one is annoying…YOU!

[Thorny]

5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Disagree.  Many posters have different opinions, but only one is annoying…YOU!

We don’t want to push away those that disagree with us, as much as I agree with your overall stance on things 

I’ve been the recipient of more eye rolls from 13 than anyone, maybe combined: and that’s just the way it has to be sometimes. As the majority we have to take it because, deep down, I’d wager 13 and others know the board is accurately reflective of the tire-fire the organization has become. The board IS full of negativity: that’s cause and effect at its finest. The problem is absolutely the organization and not the posters 

but that goes for 13 and others too. They just have a different defence mechanism 

Edited 23 hours ago by Thorny

[7+6=13]

5 minutes ago, SwampD said:

I’ve said what I had to say and have no desire to say more on the topic.

I get it.  I appreciate the discussion and you at least hearing me out.  

I know I'm not well liked by quite a few and not trying to sound like a martyr but feel obligated to say something every once in a while.

Not to beat a horse but I came here mostly as a reader.  I rarely posted.  I always liked the Sabres and pretended I was Andrychuk in the driveway shooting tennis balls against my parents garage door.  We couldn't afford for me to play hockey, so I was predominantly a baseball player and some football.

Later in life I loved hockey more than I ever had but I didn't understand it like baseball and football.  I was fascinated with the knowledge here and listened long enough to learn to have my own opinions.  I was learning hockey from SS posters. 

Now it sucks.  Most of the posters that became my always read, turned so negative there's little enjoyable.

I miss you guys and gals.  I wish you'd reconsider where you've taken the place.  

[LGR4GM]

2 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

I miss you guys and gals.  I wish you'd reconsider where you've taken the place.  

Terry Pegula is the reason, he took us here. 

[Thorny]

7 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

Now it sucks.  Most of the posters that became my always read, turned so negative there's little enjoyable.

I miss you guys and gals.  I wish you'd reconsider where you've taken the place.  

Have you considered the moment you start vehemently disagreeing with all the posters you used to learn from might be the exact point where it would be most frivolous to abandon that logic? The posters haven’t changed. The posters haven’t “taken the place” anywhere 

what you are seeing is the manifestation of the frustration that arises from the awareness of powerlessness. We can’t do anything: all of our bitching can’t make the team better: proof pudding all of our bitching didn’t make it bad, either 

your contention is with the environment that naturally arrises from this level of disfunction

Edited 23 hours ago by Thorny

[LGR4GM]

5 minutes ago, Thorny said:

Have you considered the moment you start vehemently disagreeing with all the posters you used to learn from might be the exact point where it would be most frivolous to abandon that logic? The posters haven’t changed. The posters haven’t “taken the place” anywhere 

what you are seeing is the manifestation of the frustration that arises from the awareness of powerlessness. We can’t do anything: all of our bitching can’t make the team better: proof pudding all of our bitching didn’t make it bad, either 

your contention is with the environment that naturally arrises from this level of disfunction

If we ran the Sabres, they would have made the playoffs at least once. 

[7+6=13]

1 minute ago, Thorny said:

Have you considered the moment you start vehemently disagreeing with all the posters you used to learn from might be the exact point where it would be most frivolous to abandon that logic? The posters haven’t changed. The posters haven’t “taken the place” anywhere 

what you are seeing is the manifestation of the frustration that arises from the awareness of powerlessness. We can’t do anything: all of our bitching can’t make the team better: proof pudding all of our bitching didn’t make it bad, either 

your contention is with the environment that naturally arrises from this level of disfunction

Can't we get past this undertow?  I don't understand what you mean by "vehemently disagreeing", honestly.  What am I disagreeing with?  A lot of you responding to me keep saying something similar.  I don't think TP and/or KA, just for example, have done a good job.  It hasn't worked.

Isn't there anything else to discuss?  Can't you try to say something different?  

Can't I fully comprehend the failure while also not wanting every thread to end up in the same spot?

[shrader]

1 hour ago, Weave said:

I’m just amazed that anyone around here still has that much passion left.

The sad part is that even if the delivery sucks, there’s a lot of truth in there about how far the atmosphere in here has fallen. It’s off the rails because people got personal… so let’s make it even more personal. 

[Flashsabre]

As mentioned before, Hamilton said on WGR that he was told Dudley was interested in the Sabres GM job if Adams wasn’t there. 
 

Do you think Dudley floats that to Hamilton directly or where does that info come from? 

[Thorny]

44 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

Can't we get past this undertow?  I don't understand what you mean by "vehemently disagreeing", honestly.  What am I disagreeing with?  A lot of you responding to me keep saying something similar.  I don't think TP and/or KA, just for example, have done a good job.  It hasn't worked.

Isn't there anything else to discuss?  Can't you try to say something different?  

Can't I fully comprehend the failure while also not wanting every thread to end up in the same spot?

You are disagreeing with the idea the posters are blameless. The posters are blameless for the negativity. They are accurately reflective of the situation 

Your calls for the board to be more positive or be less negative are tantamount to asking the board to be blatantly biased and unreflective of our situation just to pretend things are better than they are 

You strategy stinks. It’s the bury yours heads in the sand strategy: might as well pretend things are good because they aren’t going to actually be

[Dr. Who]

45 minutes ago, 7+6=13 said:

Can't we get past this undertow?  I don't understand what you mean by "vehemently disagreeing", honestly.  What am I disagreeing with?  A lot of you responding to me keep saying something similar.  I don't think TP and/or KA, just for example, have done a good job.  It hasn't worked.

Isn't there anything else to discuss?  Can't you try to say something different?  

Can't I fully comprehend the failure while also not wanting every thread to end up in the same spot?

There isn't much else to discuss, no. You point to posters like Taro, LGR, and Tom Webster. I appreciate their posts, as well. Taro and I agree on a lot. I post on a different board for some of that, because we are the minority here on those subjects. I don't annoy folks by picking fights on those matters. It would do no good. Further, I don't have the critical insight and acumen to add to their level of hockey insight. 

When there is something to discuss, like a draft pick, or a trade, or a significant move, folks will chime in. When there is no reasonable response to continued failure, folks discuss that. The new impetus has to come from ownership, because the discussion is reactive to what they do or do not do.

[PASabreFan]

1 hour ago, Thorny said:

Have you considered the moment you start vehemently disagreeing with all the posters you used to learn from might be the exact point where it would be most frivolous to abandon that logic? The posters haven’t changed. The posters haven’t “taken the place” anywhere 

what you are seeing is the manifestation of the frustration that arises from the awareness of powerlessness. We can’t do anything: all of our bitching can’t make the team better: proof pudding all of our bitching didn’t make it bad, either 

your contention is with the environment that naturally arrises from this level of disfunction

Shockingly, tho, on Day One the owner said part of the problem with the team was "in this room." The room being the Buffalo News editorial board meeting room.

I was already figuring out the guy was a numnut.

Edited 22 hours ago by PASabreFan

[7+6=13]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

Disagree.  Many posters have different opinions, but only one is annoying…YOU!

Well I'm not particularly happy that you think I'm the only annoying person here.  That's not the goal.  I'm not discussing different opinions in general terms.  For example poster A wants to trade Byram, while poster B would like to sign him to an extension. 

I'm saying that hypothetical discussion will move away from that debate and get hijacked into vitriol for KA, TP and all manner of tangents that make some posters not want to come here.  It's a problem and I'm not preaching.  I'm just offering another perspective.

Indulge me for a moment.  I moved to Charlotte NC 29 years ago at 21.  There's a massive amount of Bills and Sabres fans here.  Maybe this will resonate with some of you. When I arrived in Charlotte there were two places that got the Bills games and often the Sabres too.  This is before it became common to have your own dish.  For those that got together during those years TBD and subsequently SS became a connection to home.  We would regularly tell a person that didn't know, man you can go to SS and every article mentioning the Sabres populates.  It overjoyed people that I know.

The discussion today about SS is they don't come here anymore.  "It's too negative".  "Go to this guy on YouTube or this guy on X if you want Sabres discussion without the I don't even care if Buffalo loses the team".  

I mean you can blame it on Terry for forcing it but if it matters to anyone of you major posters (couldn't find a better term) - it's become a place primarily for venting and so much less content.  I suppose if that's what you want it to be, carry on.

I miss the place that is still a daily click for me, but I exit threads and leave so often because it's exhausting where they go.

[Thorny]

1 minute ago, 7+6=13 said:

it's become a place primarily for venting and so much less content.  I suppose if that's what you want it to be, carry on.

I miss the place that is still a daily click for me, but I exit threads and leave so often because it's exhausting where they go.

Yup

That is what we want it to be 

The few fans who still support the team feel they need that to keep going