Byram has packed up his house and will be moved: After the Whistle

[bob_sauve28]

17 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

His trade record is decent? How many times have we been to the playoffs in 5 years? Can't be that decent.

Maybe he made nice trades but other factors held the team back; coaching, goaltending, injuries 

[Darryl Shannon's +/-]

21 minutes ago, GoPuckYourself said:

His trade record is decent? How many times have we been to the playoffs in 5 years? Can't be that decent. I do like McLeod and Greenway but other than that I could live without Byram, I thought he was good with Dahlin but pretty average without him. The Josh Norris trade is looking shakey already as he was re-injured 3 games after we traded for him and was already injury prone before that. 

I think so, even back to the eichel and reinhart trades.  I just wish trading was easier in the nhl overall, it would help us get better faster.  

As for Norris....I think moving on from Cozens alone was a plus sadly.  

[Carmel Corn]

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Allowing Kevyn to do this trade sucks. Everyone in the league knows he's dead man walking so they'll try to fleece him. 

To this point, everyone in the league understands that Buffalo is once again dealing from a position of weakness....so GMKA won't get much in return if he does try to move Byrum via trade.  The amount of low ball offers will be numerous and Howdy Doody will have to take the best of the crap any team will offer.

[Huckleberry]

Aren't these guys wrong more than they are right ? How believable is this, I watched when they started their podcast few years ago, but will see I guess.

For all we know he is moving to a different house in Buffalo 🤣

[dudacek]

8 minutes ago, bob_sauve28 said:

Maybe he made nice trades but other factors held the team back; coaching, goaltending, injuries 

On Vancouver radio this morning they talked briefly about the news Adams was staying, shook their heads in amazement, and proceeded to say Adams should be targeted by the Canucks as a stupid and desperate GM who could be taken advantage of.

[dudacek]

1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

Aren't these guys wrong more than they are right ? How believable is this, I watched when they started their podcast few years ago, but will see I guess.

For all we know he is moving to a different house in Buffalo 🤣

Peters called Rivet out for exactly this.

[Porous Five Hole]

2 hours ago, Weave said:

I like Byram’s game better than Power’s.

I never get nice things.

I agree with this assessment after 24-25, but I think Power’s ceiling is higher. 

1 hour ago, LGR4GM said:

Noah Dobson is an RFA.

Is Dobson going to A) cost less than Byram, and B) different than Power? His PPG is slightly less, but is he a huge defensive upgrade where it makes perfect sense?

[Cityo'Rasmii]

9 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

To this point, everyone in the league understands that Buffalo is once again dealing from a position of weakness....so GMKA won't get much in return if he does try to move Byrum (or anyone else for that matter) via trade.  The amount of low ball offers will be numerous and Howdy Doody will have to take the best of the crap any team will offer.

agree and a 'lil FIFY

Edited 13 hours ago by Cityo'Rasmii

[dudacek]

10 minutes ago, Carmel Corn said:

To this point, everyone in the league understands that Buffalo is once again dealing from a position of weakness....so GMKA won't get much in return if he does try to move Byrum via trade.  The amount of low ball offers will be numerous and Howdy Doody will have to take the best of the crap any team will offer.

What is the position of weakness? Why does Adams have to take a ***** offer? Why will the offers be *****?

Are 23-year-old 40-point defencemen a dime a dozen in the NHL?

He had career numbers offensively and defensively and shook off the injury concerns.

Personally, if Byram's value was a 25-year-old RFA 60-point centre a year ago, I can't imagine it is any less than that now.

Edited 13 hours ago by dudacek

[PerreaultForever]

2 hours ago, dudacek said:

As @inkman is always reminding us, never believe what you see in press conferences.

But I definitely read into the Adams and Byram season-enders - what was said and what wasn’t said - that Byram is probably gone.

Today on After the Whistle Craig Rivet said Byram’s family came in and helped him completely clean out his house. Rivet says Byram would sign in Buffalo, but he wants Power’s role and opportunity. They’ve chosen Power over Byram and he will be moved.

Take it for what it’s worth.

This would prove exactly what I said (and I wasn't alone) at the time of the deal. They didn't want to pay Mitts what he wanted so they kicked it down the road with a different RFA and now they don't want to pay him and will kick it down the road with another one. 

I'm not upset with trading Byram (assuming this is real). I'm pissed we traded for him in the first place. Not cause I liked Mitts all that much, but because none of this makes sense if you are trying to win. Cause you're not. 

[LabattBlue]

12 minutes ago, dudacek said:

On Vancouver radio this morning they talked briefly about the news Adams was staying, shook their heads in amazement, and proceeded to say Adams should be targeted by the Canucks as a stupid and desperate GM who could be taken advantage of.

…and those talking heads would be 100% correct.  

[Taro T]

11 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Aren't these guys wrong more than they are right ? How believable is this, I watched when they started their podcast few years ago, but will see I guess.

For all we know he is moving to a different house in Buffalo 🤣

Good point.

Thinking about it a bit.  Why would he (a guy who is an RFA this summer) already be packing his house up to move to a different city AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  The draft is still more than a month away and FA doesn't begin until July 1.  Personally can't believe that Adams will trade Byram at ALL costs especially if Byram is proclaiming he wants to be here (unlike a certain injured at the time C). 

Fully believe could be and to a large extent do expect he'll be traded.  But the timing of this "announcement" seems to be amiss and more for clickbait on the day they've said that Adams is staying put in his current role.

[dudacek]

Just now, LabattBlue said:

…and those talking heads would be 100% correct.  

I really think Adams will try to reverse the Eichel trade by buying low on the depreciated 1st-line centre asset that is Elias Pettersson. It just fits.

I just hope it's going to be for an Eichel-like price (Norris, Östlund, '26 1st?), not something stupid like Byram, Norris and #9

[Taro T]

5 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said:

This would prove exactly what I said (and I wasn't alone) at the time of the deal. They didn't want to pay Mitts what he wanted so they kicked it down the road with a different RFA and now they don't want to pay him and will kick it down the road with another one. 

I'm not upset with trading Byram (assuming this is real). I'm pissed we traded for him in the first place. Not cause I liked Mitts all that much, but because none of this makes sense if you are trying to win. Cause you're not. 

Personally will be a bit miffed if Byram is traded for another guy younger than himself.  Because that was the biggest part of hating the Mittelstadt trade; we watched Mitts go through all the growing pains and once he was finally useful the Sabres traded him away for a guy that wasn't going to be REALLY useful for at least another 2 seasons.  Well, we've made it through 1-1/2 of those seasons and now lets trade him in for a shinier model.

As you say, it makes no sense if the goal is to win.

IF the story of Byram packing up to move away is true; either management has told him he's on the way out (which would seem to be counter to getting the best deal for him) or as with Mitts they haven't talked contract with him at all (which would seem to run counter to Adams' mantra of "honest conversations).

The off-season of hope is quickly dwindling away and there's still 8 teams that haven't reached the off-season.  Oy vey.

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I really think Adams will try to reverse the Eichel trade by buying low on the depreciated 1st-line centre asset that is Elias Pettersson. It just fits.

I just hope it's going to be for an Eichel-like price (Norris, Östlund, '26 1st?), not something stupid like Byram, Norris and #9

Really hope Pettersson isn't this off-season's prize acquisition.  Not that it's for certain that he can't get back to the form that got him that mega contract.  Just because, THIS particular crew hasn't shown itself to be smarter than everybody else at this point, and THEM being the ones to say "we can fix him" when nobody else will do so doesn't exactly put forth the warm and fuzzies nor inspire confidence that they'll be right.

Now if Bill Zito makes that trade, look out, it might just work.  But lately, he HAS been smarter than most everybody else.

[dudacek]

4 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Good point.

Thinking about it a bit.  Why would he (a guy who is an RFA this summer) already be packing his house up to move to a different city AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  The draft is still more than a month away and FA doesn't begin until July 1.  Personally can't believe that Adams will trade Byram at ALL costs especially if Byram is proclaiming he wants to be here (unlike a certain injured at the time C). 

Fully believe could be and to a large extent do expect he'll be traded.  But the timing of this "announcement" seems to be amiss and more for clickbait on the day they've said that Adams is staying put in his current role.

The implication was he's going home to stay with his parents for the summer and doesn't expect to come back,. Why leave your stuff and keep the lease when you've been led to believe you're going to be traded?

Not saying you're wrong, just passing along the counter-argument.

I got the impression Rivet got an info dump from over the weekend from someone he thinks might know things and was sharing what he's been told.

As @Flashsabre said, the other tidbit was Quinn being shopped.

[Taro T]

1 minute ago, dudacek said:

The implication was he's going home to stay with his parents for the summer and doesn't expect to come back,. Why leave your stuff and keep the lease when you've been led to believe you're going to be traded?

Not saying you're wrong, just passing along the counter-argument.

I got the impression Rivet got an info dump from over the weekend from someone he thinks might know things and was sharing what he's been told.

As @Flashsabre said, the other tidbit was Quinn being shopped.

And Quinn being shopped makes little sense either at this point.  (Though definitely not putting it past them.)  Sell low isn't exactly a great way to build wealth.

[DarthEbriate]

13 minutes ago, dudacek said:

What is the position of weakness? Why does Adams have to take a ***** offer? Why will the offers be *****?

Are 23-year-old 40-point defencemen a dime a dozen in the NHL?

He had career numbers offensively and defensively and shook off the injury concerns.

Personally, if Byram's value was a 25-year-old RFA 60-point centre a year ago, I can't imagine it is any less than that now.

I think if they're getting PP time: then maybe yes?

Power hit 40 at age 22 this season. Ristolainen had his third consecutive 40-point season at age 23. Seider has scored 40+ in every season in the league (4), with this year being his age 23 season. Don't ask about Makar or Hughes.

 

Note: Montour topped out at 35 in his age-23 season with Anaheim. Sergachev just shy at 38.

Yes, they're all 1st round picks, but so is Byram.

[inkman]

 

[dudacek]

Just now, Taro T said:

And Quinn being shopped makes little sense either at this point.  (Though definitely not putting it past them.)  Sell low isn't exactly a great way to build wealth.

This is what I was getting at elsewhere about the Cozens/ Norris trade being a template and tipping us off on Adams' intentions.

Sell off the guys Lindy doesn't like in an 'our depreciated asset for your depreciated asset' kinda fashion. How can you exchange Quinn, Samuelsson and UPL for guys who can fill their slots, but be better?

Basically use the Buffalo stink to his advantage while his guys still have fans and sweeten the deal with an extra 2nd or an Isak Rosen if you need to to make it work.

 

[dudacek]

14 minutes ago, DarthEbriate said:

I think if they're getting PP time: then maybe yes?

Power hit 40 at age 22 this season. Ristolainen had his third consecutive 40-point season at age 23. Seider has scored 40+ in every season in the league (4), with this year being his age 23 season. Don't ask about Makar or Hughes.

 

Note: Montour topped out at 35 in his age-23 season with Anaheim. Sergachev just shy at 38.

Yes, they're all 1st round picks, but so is Byram.

Pretty clearly no, from your examples when you see what Risto, Montour, and Sergachev were traded for, and the other two guys are the league's best defencemen. The 40-point guys at that age by and large are studs.

Especially when you factor in the PP time, as you point out, and realize that Byram would likely have been a 50-point-plus player had he been used on a #1 PP.

Edited 13 hours ago by dudacek

[Darryl Shannon's +/-]

26 minutes ago, dudacek said:

I really think Adams will try to reverse the Eichel trade by buying low on the depreciated 1st-line centre asset that is Elias Pettersson. It just fits.

I just hope it's going to be for an Eichel-like price (Norris, Östlund, '26 1st?), not something stupid like Byram, Norris and #9

I like the 2nd trade better

[LGR4GM]

40 minutes ago, Porous Five Hole said:

I agree with this assessment after 24-25, but I think Power’s ceiling is higher. 

Is Dobson going to A) cost less than Byram, and B) different than Power? His PPG is slightly less, but is he a huge defensive upgrade where it makes perfect sense?

Dobson is a rhd who is better defensively and offensively than Byram. I'd expect him to cost more but he'd actually partner well with Power.

I think Dobson is a big defensive upgrade. 

[dudacek]

2 minutes ago, Darryl Shannon's +/- said:

I like the 2nd trade better

Really? Why?

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42 minutes ago, Taro T said:

Good point.

Thinking about it a bit.  Why would he (a guy who is an RFA this summer) already be packing his house up to move to a different city AT THIS POINT IN TIME.  The draft is still more than a month away and FA doesn't begin until July 1.  Personally can't believe that Adams will trade Byram at ALL costs especially if Byram is proclaiming he wants to be here (unlike a certain injured at the time C). 

Fully believe could be and to a large extent do expect he'll be traded.  But the timing of this "announcement" seems to be amiss and more for clickbait on the day they've said that Adams is staying put in his current role.

They're really not about click-bait. I think the worst you can accuse them of is having bad sources at times. Those are likely hockey folk with not a lot of mental horsepower passing along severely flawed conclusions.