Pimlach Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, Alaska John said: The difference is that Reinhart wants to be there. He didn't want to come to Buffalo and he never consistently put forth full effort. He was fine with coming to Buffalo and his effort was always very good. No doubt that by they time Adams came in to replace Boterill and was embarking on another rebuild, he wanted out. Can't blame him, Eichel, Risto, Montour, or Ulmark. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 You guys spend too much time worrying about whether former Sabres succeed. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Pimlach said: Reinhart was always a good player, even as a young kid you could see the talent and skill, he just needed to get stronger and more experience. He is in his prime right now at 27. He left Buffalo at 24, just at the start of prime years for a forward. Mitts wont score 50, but I expect a breakout year from him next season if he stays in Colorado. Reinhart scoring 50 (maybe 55 by the time the season is done) is a mild surprise to me, but not shocking. As you said, he is 27, right in his prime. His last season in Buffalo he was on a nearly 40 goal pace here. The mark of a career year is often times a one-time shooting percentage that is WAY higher than the career number. His career number is about 15. He never was over 20, this year he is at almost 26. So, combine him being pretty much at his 'statistical prime' for a forward, the fact that for the last 4 years he pretty much has been a 30-40 goal guy (pace), and him having a possibly a career year by shooting percentage...its not that shocking. He's a PP specialist (54% of his goals on the PP is INCREDIBLY high, hes at nearly 43% for his career on the PP which is also incredibly high)....he can sustain high goal totals for the next 2-4 years of his career...but I would doubt he repeats 55 goal seasons in the future like he is having this year. He's a very good goal scorer, in large part because he DOES hang around the net and has the hands to be effective in that area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Weave said: You guys spend too much time worrying about whether former Sabres succeed. I never had a problem with discussing former Sabres. I actually like the discussion. Whenever a trade occurs (and most of us LIKE trades as a talking point), it certainly is fun to talk about 'what could have been' if that guy was still here, or to evaluate what you got for that player. Also, we talk about a lot of other players around the league some...and guys who used to be here, well, most of us know more about them than most other players..so yeah....easy to talk about them. Edited March 25 by mjd1001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 (edited) 37 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: I never had a problem with discussing former Sabres. I actually like the discussion. Whenever a trade occurs (and most of us LIKE trades as a talking point), it certainly is fun to talk about 'what could have been' if that guy was still here, or to evaluate what you got for that player. Also, we talk about a lot of other players around the league some...and guys who used to be here, well, most of us know more about them than most other players..so yeah....easy to talk about them. I get that. Its the woe is us and sour grapes I am referring to, and the “we can’t trade X because he might be awesome and we’ll get laughed at some more” that is so often on display. The Sabres are a train wreck. They were a train wreck when Sam was drafted, a train wreck while he grew and developed, and a train wreck after he was moved. Sam and his ilk are neither the cause of, nor the the fix for what ails the Sabres. They are ghosts of the past that aren’t relevant to Buffalo and its current futility. Lamenting what Sam is doing today is self flagellation. Edited March 25 by Weave 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Collection Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, mjd1001 said: Reinhart scoring 50 (maybe 55 by the time the season is done) is a mild surprise to me, but not shocking. As you said, he is 27, right in his prime. His last season in Buffalo he was on a nearly 40 goal pace here. The mark of a career year is often times a one-time shooting percentage that is WAY higher than the career number. His career number is about 15. He never was over 20, this year he is at almost 26. So, combine him being pretty much at his 'statistical prime' for a forward, the fact that for the last 4 years he pretty much has been a 30-40 goal guy (pace), and him having a possibly a career year by shooting percentage...its not that shocking. He's a PP specialist (54% of his goals on the PP is INCREDIBLY high, hes at nearly 43% for his career on the PP which is also incredibly high)....he can sustain high goal totals for the next 2-4 years of his career...but I would doubt he repeats 55 goal seasons in the future like he is having this year. He's a very good goal scorer, in large part because he DOES hang around the net and has the hands to be effective in that area. He’s also a UFA. Probably going 95% in an 80% league. I really like him but it’s all downhill from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoot da Puck Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 I scored over 50 in street hockey, it's really not that hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted March 25 Report Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Weave said: You guys spend too much time worrying about whether former Sabres succeed. Worrying? I doubt that's the right word. It seemed fitting to me that his 50th was into an empty net. I could be wrong, but I'm going to bet that if someone offers him a big money long term deal they will regret it much like Calgary regrets Huberdeau. This conversation comes up with various players on Sabrespace about players needing linemates to succeed. Reinhart to me is the perfect example of that sort of complimentary player who can succeed at what he does with the right linemates, but not really on his own. As for spending our time better, maybe we could debate whether Byram is any better than Montour. That might be fun 🙂 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, French Collection said: He’s also a UFA. Probably going 95% in an 80% league. I really like him but it’s all downhill from here. This is almost always the case once a player hits the open market. Team control is a helluva drug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#freejame Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 58 minutes ago, PerreaultForever said: Worrying? I doubt that's the right word. It seemed fitting to me that his 50th was into an empty net. I could be wrong, but I'm going to bet that if someone offers him a big money long term deal they will regret it much like Calgary regrets Huberdeau. This conversation comes up with various players on Sabrespace about players needing linemates to succeed. Reinhart to me is the perfect example of that sort of complimentary player who can succeed at what he does with the right linemates, but not really on his own. As for spending our time better, maybe we could debate whether Byram is any better than Montour. That might be fun 🙂 I don’t see a Huberdeau situation happening with Sam in the slightest. Sure, he isn’t going to be a PPG+ player for 6-8 years, but I think his style of game ages well. He’s a net front puck hound with crazy hand eye skills. As his skating declines you continue to increase his O-Zone usage. Similarly to how Vanek aged well for what he was, I think we’ll see the same for Sam, only with increased production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 On 3/24/2024 at 8:59 PM, Night Train said: Sabres are just a farm team. They leave to succeed. Unfortunate as this statement is, currently it is 100% correct. There can longer be those who deny the data available while attempting to counter it with any validity. The Buffalo Sabres are, for intents and purposes, an AHL team. Various reasoning as to why this has come to pass, but the one constant.......inexperienced GM and Coaching staff. That, my friends, is undeniable, in my most humbled opinion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, #freejame said: I don’t see a Huberdeau situation happening with Sam in the slightest. Sure, he isn’t going to be a PPG+ player for 6-8 years, but I think his style of game ages well. He’s a net front puck hound with crazy hand eye skills. As his skating declines you continue to increase his O-Zone usage. Similarly to how Vanek aged well for what he was, I think we’ll see the same for Sam, only with increased production. Depends on how motivated he is and how hard he works after he has all that long term security. This isn't the place for a Vanek discussion, but contrary to many here I think he was very over rated and not nearly as good as he could and should have been. We should have let Edmonton have him and signed Briere instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Super Fan Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 (edited) 7 hours ago, Weave said: You guys spend too much time worrying about whether former Sabres succeed. Exactly he wasn’t happy in Buffalo and sometimes a trade wakes players up that I better pick it up or no one will want me in the NHL. Also no way Sam Reinhart scores 50 goals with our limited Buffalo Sabres lineup. Devon Levi better be the real deal which to be honest he has regressed since he signed with the Buffalo Sabres and I am concerned. So much so I am open to trading Devon Levi if the Sabres sign UPL. Selling high before Devon Levi stock starts to drop. Devon Levi in Rochester is a regression of play. I wasn’t wide about his play in Vancouver when the Sabres needed him to be great he was average to below average. Ok that was his chance to show us what he learned in Rochester. Total disaster Levi failed which is alarming. I open to trading him to the Montreal Canadians if they are willing to overpay in trade compensation. Again I would shop Devon Levi, Alex Tuch, Dylan Cozens and Peyton Krebs in trade packages for experienced NHL players. I am on record I want John Tavares as the Buffalo Sabres team captain if it takes Alex Tuch as part of a package to acquire John Tavares so be it and I would go all in on Patrick Kane in NHL free agency offering him a three year contract that should land the Buffalo Sabres Patrick Kane services. If Kevyn Adams fails again at signing Patrick Kane fire Adams. I would replace Don Granato with Lindy Ruff as head coach. I would also trade any Sabres player that has a problem with the Sabres firing Don Granato there is the Sabres door. You can’t let the players run the Buffalo Sabres organization. I would also add a veteran goalie to backup UPL. No draft picks back I want proven NHL players back in trade compensation to the Buffalo Sabres in my opinion. Go Sabres! Let’s Go Buffalo Edited March 26 by Buffalo Super Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr632 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 17 hours ago, Alaska John said: The difference is that Reinhart wants to be there. He didn't want to come to Buffalo and he never consistently put forth full effort. Anything to back this up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 15 hours ago, mjd1001 said: I never had a problem with discussing former Sabres. I actually like the discussion. Whenever a trade occurs (and most of us LIKE trades as a talking point), it certainly is fun to talk about 'what could have been' if that guy was still here, or to evaluate what you got for that player. Also, we talk about a lot of other players around the league some...and guys who used to be here, well, most of us know more about them than most other players..so yeah....easy to talk about them. I’ve never had a what could have been moment. It sounds miserable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 12 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said: Exactly he wasn’t happy in Buffalo and sometimes a trade wakes players up that I better pick it up or no one will want me in the NHL. Also no way Sam Reinhart scores 50 goals with our limited Buffalo Sabres lineup. Devon Levi better be the real deal which to be honest he has regressed since he signed with the Buffalo Sabres and I am concerned. So much so I am open to trading Devon Levi if the Sabres sign UPL. I probably agree with you, but I wouldn't go as far as saying 'no way'. He was on pace for almost 40 goals in his last year here (shortened season). Tage almost had 50 here last year. Also, Reinhart scores a lot of his goals from in close...a position no one else on this team (except Skinner) really goes to, so he'd have that opportunity here. If Reinhart scored at almost a 40 goal pace here his last year (shortened season), and he's 3 years older/more experienced, AND he had a career year...I don't think 50 would have been out of the question here. Would I have bet on it? No..but again, it wouldn't have surprised me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 This place really becomes unlikeable in the doldrums of another lost season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogelthorpe Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 Better ❄️ in Miami! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 (edited) 17 hours ago, Scottysabres said: Unfortunate as this statement is, currently it is 100% correct. There can longer be those who deny the data available while attempting to counter it with any validity. The Buffalo Sabres are, for intents and purposes, an AHL team. Various reasoning as to why this has come to pass, but the one constant.......inexperienced GM and Coaching staff. That, my friends, is undeniable, in my most humbled opinion. The Sabres are a disappointing NHL team, as their position in the standings is below where many believe their potential to be, given their talent level. That said, they are not an AHL team. Their record is 34-33-5, so they've won 34 of the 72 NHL games they've played this season. Last season, their record was 42-33-7, so they won 42 of the 82 NHL games they played. There is not, and never will be, an AHL team that could do that. So I am denying that the Sabres are an AHL team and using the data available to make that denial. I assume your comments were hyperbole.... None of this means I'm happy with the state of the Sabres, but I'm just trying to bring a dose of reality to the conversation. Edited March 26 by msw2112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 On 3/25/2024 at 2:06 PM, Pimlach said: He was fine with coming to Buffalo and his effort was always very good. No doubt that by they time Adams came in to replace Boterill and was embarking on another rebuild, he wanted out. Can't blame him, Eichel, Risto, Montour, or Ulmark. No, Sam said he was open to a LT deal during the time frame Adams bridged him Agree you can’t blame them though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 7 hours ago, inkman said: This place really becomes unlikeable in the doldrums of another lost season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Thorny said: No, Sam said he was open to a LT deal during the time frame Adams bridged him Agree you can’t blame them though Didn’t Bots bridge him? I am confused as to why Adams would do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 14 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Didn’t Bots bridge him? I am confused as to why Adams would do that. Some said they were I unwilling to go LT with Sam at the time due to their implemented Covid budget restraints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 12 minutes ago, Thorny said: Some said they were I unwilling to go LT with Sam at the time due to their implemented Covid budget restraints You mean EEE to maintain the family lifestyle? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, Thorny said: Some said they were I unwilling to go LT with Sam at the time due to their implemented Covid budget restraints Given the glacial pace of team building, I have to consider if KA didn’t think Sam fit the timeline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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