Weave Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 37 minutes ago, Doohickie said: Time to resurrect Team Stormcloud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 (edited) I would trade anyone on this roster and not think twice about it Root for the Oilers to implode in the playoffs and trade for McDavid. We're one of the few teams who could do it. But, we won't even try Edited February 12 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 59 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I would trade anyone on this roster and not think twice about it Root for the Oilers to implode in the playoffs and trade for McDavid. We're one of the few teams who could do it. But, we won't even try McDavid won't save the team . plus there wouldn't be a team left lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, Buffalonill said: McDavid won't save the team . plus there wouldn't be a team left lol He'd make the team $$$ immediately. That's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Any possibility that Skinner could be traded ? I know Sabres wouldn't want to retain any of his salary but I think it should be considered. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Just now, Crusader1969 said: Any possibility that Skinner could be traded ? I know Sabres wouldn't want to retain any of his salary but I think it should be considered. Not unless Skinner wants to be traded. He's in control. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldseatsaud Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 Trade him back to Carolina 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallawaySabres Posted February 16 Author Report Share Posted February 16 PLEASE BLOW THIS THING UP SKY HIGH What the hell more does this owner need to see???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonill Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 Just now, CallawaySabres said: PLEASE BLOW THIS THING UP SKY HIGH What the hell more does this owner need to see???? Another first overall pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 Ok. Blow the team up. Change coaches. Change GM's. They all may be valid points. But maybe its simpler than that. What is wrong/different with this team compared to last year's team, which was 1 point away from the playoffs? -This team is allowing less goals than last year. They are now middle-of-the-pack and actually improving the last few weeks. They have a goalie who not only has pretty good numbers, he passes the 'eye test' also. Scoring is the problem but: -Peterka is doing better than last year. Skinner is basically giving you close to the scoring of last year. Dahlin has less assists but is scoring more goals. Mitts is better offensively. Greenway and Okposo are better offensively. Basically, this team is equal to, or BETTER than last years team in MOST ways other than: Thompson scoring, Cozens scoring, and Tuch Scoring (Tuch isn't as big of an issue as the other 2, and it may be related to injury with him.) VO is off also, but his play is made up for basically by Peterka, and few think/thought VO was long for this team anyway. So yea, the results aren't what anyone wants....but its not the whole team. Much of the team is equal to last year or BETTER. The question may not be how or why to make wholesale changes, or blow everything up....but rather how/why are Thompson, Cozens, maybe Tuch and Power issues. I don't want to blow the whole team up yet....I don't want to make major changes yet. I want to fix Tage, Cozens, and Power (mostly) as those guys are 3 of your 'core 4 or 5'. If a coaching change or GM change 'fixes' those guys, then great. But I know when people say we have waited and endured 'too long' and just want 'something to be done', I'm not quite sure what coach...or GM...comes in here and just makes those guys better. Because, while the rest of the team is 'flawed', overall they are giving you want they did last year or in some cases are better than last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TageMVP Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 On 2/12/2024 at 4:05 PM, Goldseatsaud said: Trade him back to Carolina Lol he'd probly welcome that idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 8 hours ago, TageMVP said: Lol he'd probly welcome that idea Brind'amour wouldn't. 8 hours ago, mjd1001 said: Ok. Blow the team up. Change coaches. Change GM's. They all may be valid points. But maybe its simpler than that. What is wrong/different with this team compared to last year's team, which was 1 point away from the playoffs? -This team is allowing less goals than last year. They are now middle-of-the-pack and actually improving the last few weeks. They have a goalie who not only has pretty good numbers, he passes the 'eye test' also. Scoring is the problem but: -Peterka is doing better than last year. Skinner is basically giving you close to the scoring of last year. Dahlin has less assists but is scoring more goals. Mitts is better offensively. Greenway and Okposo are better offensively. Basically, this team is equal to, or BETTER than last years team in MOST ways other than: Thompson scoring, Cozens scoring, and Tuch Scoring (Tuch isn't as big of an issue as the other 2, and it may be related to injury with him.) VO is off also, but his play is made up for basically by Peterka, and few think/thought VO was long for this team anyway. So yea, the results aren't what anyone wants....but its not the whole team. Much of the team is equal to last year or BETTER. The question may not be how or why to make wholesale changes, or blow everything up....but rather how/why are Thompson, Cozens, maybe Tuch and Power issues. I don't want to blow the whole team up yet....I don't want to make major changes yet. I want to fix Tage, Cozens, and Power (mostly) as those guys are 3 of your 'core 4 or 5'. If a coaching change or GM change 'fixes' those guys, then great. But I know when people say we have waited and endured 'too long' and just want 'something to be done', I'm not quite sure what coach...or GM...comes in here and just makes those guys better. Because, while the rest of the team is 'flawed', overall they are giving you want they did last year or in some cases are better than last year. Fix the PP. they'd be in the race with an avg PP. nothing needs to be blown up 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 38 minutes ago, Crusader1969 said: Fix the PP. they'd be in the race with an avg PP. nothing needs to be blown up A change in Power Play coaches is maybe all we need to make the playoffs? Try it now by hiring Bob Woods. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 11 hours ago, mjd1001 said: Ok. Blow the team up. Change coaches. Change GM's. They all may be valid points. But maybe its simpler than that. What is wrong/different with this team compared to last year's team, which was 1 point away from the playoffs? -This team is allowing less goals than last year. They are now middle-of-the-pack and actually improving the last few weeks. They have a goalie who not only has pretty good numbers, he passes the 'eye test' also. Scoring is the problem but: -Peterka is doing better than last year. Skinner is basically giving you close to the scoring of last year. Dahlin has less assists but is scoring more goals. Mitts is better offensively. Greenway and Okposo are better offensively. Basically, this team is equal to, or BETTER than last years team in MOST ways other than: Thompson scoring, Cozens scoring, and Tuch Scoring (Tuch isn't as big of an issue as the other 2, and it may be related to injury with him.) VO is off also, but his play is made up for basically by Peterka, and few think/thought VO was long for this team anyway. So yea, the results aren't what anyone wants....but its not the whole team. Much of the team is equal to last year or BETTER. The question may not be how or why to make wholesale changes, or blow everything up....but rather how/why are Thompson, Cozens, maybe Tuch and Power issues. I don't want to blow the whole team up yet....I don't want to make major changes yet. I want to fix Tage, Cozens, and Power (mostly) as those guys are 3 of your 'core 4 or 5'. If a coaching change or GM change 'fixes' those guys, then great. But I know when people say we have waited and endured 'too long' and just want 'something to be done', I'm not quite sure what coach...or GM...comes in here and just makes those guys better. Because, while the rest of the team is 'flawed', overall they are giving you want they did last year or in some cases are better than last year. No buts…Scoring is a problem. Don’t try to dilute that with anecdotal numbers for JJP or Mitts. The GF last year, same games played was 197. It’s 155 this year. That’s 42 goals. The PP rate last year was ~.75 per game. I hear how the Sabres are middle of the pack in even strength and the problem is all special teams. If the PP rate was equal to 22/23, using that ratio it would increase the GF total by 17 goals. 42-17= 25 goals difference. This year the Sabres have scored 2 or fewer goals 23 times. Last year through 53 games it was 8 less. Scoring is a problem. The GA is down YoY by 20 because better overall goaltending and arguably improved play by the defenseman. I do not see much improvement in defensive play by the forward group. Hence the need to shake things up a bit. For me, more on the forward side than D. I’d prefer 5-6 new faces there and 2 new on the Blueline. The game against Florida confirmed it for me that the roster as currently constructed could not win a playoff series against most of the top 16 teams in the League. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFinn Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Below Three tings that I think should be done and I hope GM will fix during the offseason. Fire Granato is not among those three tings, I am that convinced he will be back next season. 1. A RHD to play with Dahlin. Quinn Hughes got his Hronek, Makar has Toews, it is time to get a Hronek for Dahlin. 2. Buy out Skinners contract. I said earlier that it probably will be done with two seasons left, but at this point it is no reason to wait any longer. 3. Get a player specialized on power play(bonus if he do pk also). And one with some guts and leadership, someone that tell Thompson that the whole league has seen his onetimer now, try something new, and that there has to be quick movement on both puck and all players. It is hard to find a player like this and they are not for free, but there are some out there and I say just pick one and Go for it. It can't get much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader1969 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, SabreFinn said: Below Three tings that I think should be done and I hope GM will fix during the offseason. Fire Granato is not among those three tings, I am that convinced he will be back next season. 1. A RHD to play with Dahlin. Quinn Hughes got his Hronek, Makar has Toews, it is time to get a Hronek for Dahlin. 2. Buy out Skinners contract. I said earlier that it probably will be done with two seasons left, but at this point it is no reason to wait any longer. 3. Get a player specialized on power play(bonus if he do pk also). And one with some guts and leadership, someone that tell Thompson that the whole league has seen his onetimer now, try something new, and that there has to be quick movement on both puck and all players. It is hard to find a player like this and they are not for free, but there are some out there and I say just pick one and Go for it. It can't get much worse. Not sure if the cost of buying out Skinner would be too much but I think it needs to be considered. Honestly starting to think he is a big issue for this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 At quick glance (on stathead)I believe this will be the first ever Sabres season without a 3 game winning streak. The legwork across the league is a lot of work. I will report back when I have the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 8 hours ago, Broken Ankles said: No buts…Scoring is a problem. Don’t try to dilute that with anecdotal numbers for JJP or Mitts. The GF last year, same games played was 197. It’s 155 this year. That’s 42 goals. The PP rate last year was ~.75 per game. I hear how the Sabres are middle of the pack in even strength and the problem is all special teams. If the PP rate was equal to 22/23, using that ratio it would increase the GF total by 17 goals. 42-17= 25 goals difference. This year the Sabres have scored 2 or fewer goals 23 times. Last year through 53 games it was 8 less. Scoring is a problem. The GA is down YoY by 20 because better overall goaltending and arguably improved play by the defenseman. I do not see much improvement in defensive play by the forward group. Hence the need to shake things up a bit. For me, more on the forward side than D. I’d prefer 5-6 new faces there and 2 new on the Blueline. The game against Florida confirmed it for me that the roster as currently constructed could not win a playoff series against most of the top 16 teams in the League. I see a drastic improvement but only in the past few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marvin said: A change in Power Play coaches is maybe all we need to make the playoffs? Try it now by hiring Bob Woods. Buffalo is 14.38 on the PP this season. Median this year has been around 22-23% for most of the season. Last year they were at 23.42. Lets target 23%. Slightly worse than last year, maybe close to 10th-15th in the league this year. Where does that get them? That gives them 13 more goals. With no other changes, that gives them a positive goal differential this year (I think a +4). How does that equate to the standings? In the East last year, EVERY team that was good enough to have a positive goal differential made the playoffs. Every team that had a negative missed the playoffs. The correlation was 100%. In the West EVERY team that had a negative missed also, 8 or the 9 teams with a positive made it. In the East, 2 years ago EVERY team that had a positive goal differential made the playoffs, EVERY team with a negative goal differential missed. Its not a guarantee (the West has a couple teams every so often on the bubble that don't fit the 'rule') but for the most part, the SINGLE best metric (other than points) that determine whether you are good enough to make the playoffs or miss the playoffs is overall goal differential. Change NOTHING other than the powerplay (make them league average or close to last year) and this team has a positive goal differential. Or think of it this way...sprinkle around those 13 extra goals...and quite a few of them probably turn losses into wins and you can get your point total up that way. 3 years ago Buffalo was 12th in the league at 21%. 2 years ago they were 16th at 21.2%. Last year they were 9th in the league at 23.4%. This year they are 28th in the league at 14.3%. Did the players change? Not really. Did the head coach change? No. Did the assistants change? YES. So, where you have a huge drop off in performance in one key aspect of your game, I just don't think you 'blow things up' or make huge changes until you change what is the problem. Its like Surgery....you have an infection on your arm, you don't just cut the whole arm off, you first TRY to get rid of the infection locally. Edited February 17 by mjd1001 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 4 hours ago, Crusader1969 said: Not sure if the cost of buying out Skinner would be too much but I think it needs to be considered. Honestly starting to think he is a big issue for this team. Here is the cost for June 2024, followed by June 2025 and June 2026 The biggest blockade will be the owner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Ankles Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Brawndo said: Here is the cost for June 2024, followed by June 2025 and June 2026 The biggest blockade will be the owner Looking at the June ‘25 option, if the Sabres retained $3m in a trade, the net dollars paid by Terry would be less than a buyout ($6m vs $8m). Coupled with Skinners actual salary of $7 & $5m, the team acquiring him would only have an actual salary of $4m and $2m respectively. Instead of compensating a team to take on a huge cap dump of $9m per, the Sabres should be able to receive something back, no? And the total cap retained ($6m over two years) is much better than $14m over four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 18 hours ago, Marvin said: A change in Power Play coaches is maybe all we need to make the playoffs? Try it now by hiring Bob Woods. No, it’s not. Dangerously close to imbibing the Adams mindset This is exactly, exactly why we are in the position we are this season and we haven’t even finished putting the finishing touches our near-bottom of the league finish and people are calling for a reenactment of the same approach. Smh at some point we can’t blame the organization, im sorry Edited February 17 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 A league average PP would have us with 13 more goals this season. That’s it - that’s the league average mark this season. The difference between 27th place and being a good, solid playoff team is not 13 goals over the last 50 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Thorny said: No, it’s not. Dangerously close to imbibing the Adams mindset This is exactly, exactly why we are in the position we are this season and we haven’t even finished putting the finishing touches our near-bottom of the league finish and people are calling for a reenactment of the same approach. Smh at some point we can’t blame the organization, im sorry Why not try a new coach? If he works out, then he and Bales can survive a purge. Bringing him in does not preclude changing Donnie or even Kevin at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Marvin said: Why not try a new coach? If he works out, then he and Bales can survive a purge. Bringing him in does not preclude changing Donnie or even Kevin at the end of the season. Sure, I’m good with that Just wanted to point out that the “squint really hard at a really low level expectation already and plan to make a solitary change that maybe gets us half-way there in a best case scenario and hope for the best” line of thinking is very frivolous. Edited February 17 by Thorny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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