zow2 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Say it every week of every year. They just cannot get enough losses to OT to at least get a point. Especially at home. So many regulation losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: Frankly I try to just ignore his suicide watch level negativity I'm struggling to see where he's wrong. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, WhenWillItEnd66 said: I had enough of this garbage. There season is done. The unintentional tank is on. Going for a top 5 pick and a lot of firings. We all know that won't happen and if will be deja vue next year and we will work on 15 years no playoffs. I don't think I have ever disliked a Sabres team as much as this one The Krueger teams were worse 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) Fix the damn power play. All friggin year they’ve rarely if ever made a change. Matt friggin Ellis ain’t getting it done. The Canucks had multiple players in UPLs grill all game. The Sabres don’t even have anyone in front on the PP. Change the coach. Edited January 13 by bunomatic 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contempt Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Just now, zow2 said: Say it every week of every year. They just cannot get enough losses to OT to at least get a point. Especially at home. So many regulation losses. This is where it's gotten to. We are begging for the loser point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: A very anger inducing game between our players getting headshot, our PP getting a few chances but generally looking bad and their ***** goalie standing on his head in every case we had a solid chance. I agree with Dan that you can’t exactly fault their effort. I can however still be angry and dissatisfied with the result. They generated very little all game and almost nothing in the 3rd, if you trust the advanced stats 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, rickshaw said: Poor cozens. I love him but my goodness he just is fighting it everywhere. Cozens shooting percentages..... Cozens rookie year...6.5% Cozens 2nd year...8.1% Cozens this year overall....6.8% Cozens SINCE Quinn came back this year and he is back with his 'linemates'....6.7% Cozens last year....14.7% Apparently he got paid $7m per year based on one season...that looks like he is not coming close to repeating. He is a guy that gets 180-200 shots per year, if, IF he turns out to be a 6.5-7% shooter, that means he is a 13-16 goal per year guy. There was some magic pixie dust sprinkled on this entire team last year...I really HOPE I am wrong, but all evidence I see is that he is much closer to that 7% shooting guy than he is teh 14% guy....and that is very worrying. Edited January 14 by mjd1001 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: A very anger inducing game between our players getting headshot, our PP getting a few chances but generally looking bad and their ***** goalie standing on his head in every case we had a solid chance. I agree with Dan that you can’t exactly fault their effort. I can however still be angry and dissatisfied with the result. Sure the effort was there to stay in the game. But were is the effort to get the crowd involved, get the first goal, to take a lead? I mean a home game effort where we actually have the advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 4 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: Cozens shooting percentages..... Cozens rookie year...6.5% Cozens 2nd year...8.1% Cozens this year overal....6.8% Cozens SINCE Quinn came back this year and he is back with his 'linemates'....6.7% Cozens last year....14.7% Apparently he got paid $7m per year based on one season...that looks like he is not coming close to repeating. He is a guy that gets 180-200 shots per year, if, IF he turns out to be a 6.5-7% shooter, that means he is a 13-16 goal per year guy. There was some magic pixie dust sprinkled on this entire team last year...I really HOPE I am wrong, but all evidence I see is that he is much closer to that 7% shooting guy than he is teh 14% guy....and that is very worrying. Yep, very JAGGY this year. Hope he's still "a guy that wants to be here". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) 1 minute ago, Pimlach said: Sure the effort was there to stay in the game. But were is the effort to get the crowd involved, get the first goal, to take a lead? I mean a home game effort where we actually have the advantage. The Canucks are a better team than us and employed strategies which, after being instituted by a skilled coach and a worthy roster of depth and talent, prevented us from performing in the required manner it looks like effort because their equal effort is wielded by superior tools And yes, jt miller is a tool Edited January 14 by Thorny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowsabre Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 I dislike the Canucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, bunomatic said: Fix the damn power play. All friggin year they’ve rarely if ever made a change. Matt friggin Ellis ainMt getting it done. The Canucks had multiple players in UPLs grill all game. The Sabres don’t even have anyone in front on the PP. Change the coach. I'm not saying it wouldn't help, but they had a couple good looks. The biggest difference I see this year from last year? Thompson was filling the net a LOT more last year with those one timers last year than he is this year. Last year at this time Thompson had 13 PP goals, this year he has 3. He is getting the looks, his one timers are getting through, they just aren't going in for him....that isn't coaching (unless your point is they relied on his one timers too much last year and should have had a better scheme last year). The Sabres are at 13.9% this year on the PP. Do nothing other than have Thompson make up those 10 goals difference he had last year to this year and you are at 22.1%....close to a top 10 pp in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Getpucksdeep Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Just now, Pimlach said: Sure the effort was there to stay in the game. But were is the effort to get the crowd involved, get the first goal, to take a lead? I mean a home game effort where we actually have the advantage. A large portion of the crowd was attempting to do the wave w/ 10 minutes to go in 1-0 game. I struggle to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Getpucksdeep said: A large portion of the crowd was attempting to do the wave w/ 10 minutes to go in 1-0 game. I struggle to understand. LMAO! They were trying to do this in winnipeg too the other day when I was at the game. 1-0 chicago, late 3rd. So oddly timed. Of course, the Jets won in regulation haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eman Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Pimlach said: They control if they want to run us, we control if we are intimidated. Don’t think the Sabres are, which is good. Now let’s get a PPG and turn this around. Hoping for a Sabres power play goal (especially this season) won't get it done. Canucks played a sound road game. Matt Ellis should have been fired weeks ago and Don Granato likewise. Unfortunately, no intestinal fortitude or interest in this organization from its owner will allow this mess to fester. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 11 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: I want our players to play bigger than they are. That's not a physical thing. It's a mental thing. I'd settle for if they would just play as BIG as they already are (let alone bigger). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Thorny said: The Canucks are a better team than us and employed strategies which, after being instituted by a skilled coach and a worthy roster of depth and talent, prevented us from performing in the required manner it looks like effort because their equal effort is wielded by superior tools And yes, jt miller is a tool Last year they finished 8 points below Buffalo. They have essentially the same roster. Is the difference Tochet as coach? A team like Vancouver is exactly why I don’t want to blow this team up. Sure we need a few pieces, but the coaching staff is the place to make the big changes. 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, mjd1001 said: Cozens shooting percentages..... Cozens rookie year...6.5% Cozens 2nd year...8.1% Cozens this year overal....6.8% Cozens SINCE Quinn came back this year and he is back with his 'linemates'....6.7% Cozens last year....14.7% Apparently he got paid $7m per year based on one season...that looks like he is not coming close to repeating. He is a guy that gets 180-200 shots per year, if, IF he turns out to be a 6.5-7% shooter, that means he is a 13-16 goal per year guy. There was some magic pixie dust sprinkled on this entire team last year...I really HOPE I am wrong, but all evidence I see is that he is much closer to that 7% shooting guy than he is teh 14% guy....and that is very worrying. Have to think Shooting is one skill EVERY player can improve… It requires focus, presence, commitment… Would like to know how Granato emphasizes Shooting Drills, Individual and Group Video instruction, in his practices… or does he leave it to the individual player to work on his own??… Would like to know how he measures and rewards a player’s improvement… Something is amiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimlach Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, Getpucksdeep said: A large portion of the crowd was attempting to do the wave w/ 10 minutes to go in 1-0 game. I struggle to understand. Bored 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerreaultForever Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Pimlach said: The Krueger teams were worse To be fair................(as they like to say on Letterkenny) Kreuger's win percentage was .433 Housley's .421 and Disco Dan Bylsma's a whopping .485 Don Granato this year is ,476 so one could argue that we have made absolutely no progress at all. In fact, we may be doing less with more as I think you could say this roster has far more talent on it than Kreuger's had. Certainly more than Disco Dan had. It wasn't a horrible effort today. In some ways it was pretty good and I liked the push back but Johnson shouldn't have had to be the pay back guy and idk what Power tried to do. I like the spirit, but he showed everyone why he struggles at times at the NHL level. He's just not very strong, as he ended up with that weird looking leg lock on Miller. Payback should be coming from the bigger forwards, especially when you're already down 2 D. Samuelsson is made of glass. I like Benson's game. I do not like Thompson's game. Quinn was next to invisible today, and I'm starting to think Cozens has vision problems. All in all though I think the game demonstrated that it is in fact coaching. Vancouver strikes me as a team with less talent than we have. Certainly not more, but unlike in past years they are playing a well structured system and fairly disciplined hockey. They are hard to break through, block the lanes, and have rigid defensive layers. They function as a unit. To some extent, you could say they are playing Bylsma hockey, and it's working. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 8 minutes ago, Getpucksdeep said: A large portion of the crowd was attempting to do the wave w/ 10 minutes to go in 1-0 game. I struggle to understand. It's called fun. 1 minute ago, Pimlach said: Bored Also that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 Skinner would have scored tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastajoe Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 10 minutes ago, Getpucksdeep said: A large portion of the crowd was attempting to do the wave w/ 10 minutes to go in 1-0 game. I struggle to understand. Lots of kids were there, they had to find a way to entertain them at a boring game. They thought they were at a soccer match. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 3 minutes ago, Pimlach said: Last year they finished 8 points below Buffalo. They have essentially the same roster. Is the difference Tochet as coach? A team like Vancouver is exactly why I don’t want to blow this team up. Sure we need a few pieces, but the coaching staff is the place to make the big changes. It could end up coming down to the coach, but I still think Granato would be performing better without such a neglectful offseason from Adams. It comes back to that for me because it undercuts Granato’s efforts and also leads into your question about Torts. It’s probably a lot that, but also a reflection of they fact we realistically overachieved last season because all those careers years happening at the same time clearly isn’t something we can expect with anything close to consistency. Offseason should have reflected that. No, it’s not that the additions in and of themselves make up the gap between between the way our top guys performed this year vs last: they make up a bit of the gap, and but theoretically help drive the performance of the current core to a better outcome that we’ve seen thus far. A few changes can go a long way. Maybe some of it does come back to just purely needing an uptick from the core. But just because we need that too doesn’t mean we also don’t need them to be supported. We actually needed to IMPROVE from last year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 It might not happen this season, but Vancouver is going to regress hard. Their pdo indicates as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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