John Gibson- demands trade

[sweetlou]

According to a report by Frak Seravalli, John Gibson asked for a trade and said, "I am not playing another game for the Anaheim Ducks".

 

John Gibson Career Stats

                                    GP   GS       W      L        T      OT     SA       GA        GAA         S         S%        SO        MIN                                                                 
2013-2014    ANA      3         3       3        0      --      0        87         4         1.33        83      .954        1          181:07
2014-2015    ANA      23     21      13        8      --      0      674       58        2.60      616       .914        1    1,339:55
2015-2016    ANA      40     38      21      13      --     4       992       79        2.07      913       .920       4    2,294:40
2016-2017    ANA      52     49      25      16     --      9     1,437     109.      2.22    1,328      .924       6    2,950:21
2017-2018    ANA      60     60      31      18      0      7      1,872     139       2.43    1,733      .926       4    3,428:29
2018-2019    ANA      58     57      26      22     0      8     1,838      153       2.84    1,685      .917        2    3,233:02
2019-2020    ANA      51     51      20      26     0      5      1,552     149       3.00    1,403      .904       1    2,981:17
2020-2021    ANA      35    35       9       19     0       7      1,042     101       2.98       941      .903       3    2,030:30
2021-2022    ANA      56    56      18      26     0      11      1,789     172       3.19      1,617     .904        1    3,235:35
2022-2023    ANA      53    52      14      31     0       8      1,983    200       3.99    1,783      .899       1    3,004:55
Career    -                  431    422   180   179    --    59    13,266   1,164      2.83    12,102     .912     24    24,679:51

 

He has been a sub 3.00 GAA and better than .900 S% every year until Anaheim started their rebuild 2 years ago.  He is a proven goaltender that can split time for two years with Levi and then be a solid back up option.

Not sure what the cost would below since he has clearly demanded a trade.

I would expect it to be UPL, 24 2nd rd pick and Joker/Olofsson.  If they want a prospect like Rosen or Östlund, I would even do that, but then include Henrique
                                                                                                                                    

Edited July 4, 2023 by sweetlou

[Curt]

Gibson is proven?  Proven to be what?  An average to below average goaltender?  Sure he used to be good, but that was 5 years ago.  Maybe he could rebound, but…….

Gibson has been outperformed by his backups 3 of the past 4 years (the other year his backup was a washed Ryan Miller).  There are reports of him being reluctant or unwilling to grow/adjust his game to incorporate new techniques.  He is about turn 30 and he is under contract for 4 more years at $6.4M.

Not sure if I want him for free to be honest.

Edited July 4, 2023 by Curt

[LGR4GM]

4 more years at 6.4 million? ***** no. 

Looks like a guy who got his big payday and that's that's for him. 

[bob_sauve28]

 

[sabresparaavida]

Gibson is a proven waste of cap space, bad goalie, and not worth it unless Anaheim is sending significant assets back with him.

[kas23]

I just don’t see how this would be at all possible. He is owed $6.4M for the next 4 years. Even if they retain 50%, it still doesn’t make sense. At this rate, it would’ve been smarter to sign Ullmark for a 6 year contract. 
 

As an aside, I find it ridiculous how players demand trades when they signed a guaranteed contract. Shouldn’t have signed for such long term then. I also don’t believe the agent here. That’s damage control…for himself. Best thing would be to terminate the contract, but the agent will do anything to prevent that. 

[Buffalonill]

I think the most shocking development is frank seravalli is 35 I thought he was in his 50's 

[MBD]

He's been hovering around .900 and 3 GAA since 2019-2020.  That and his salary make him a hard pass.

[Turbo44]

21 minutes ago, MBD said:

He's been hovering around .900 and 3 GAA since 2019-2020.  That and his salary make him a hard pass.

On a horrible defensive team so keep that in mind. He’s a well above average nhl goalie. In saying that, he doesn’t fit what the Sabres need

[MBD]

2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

On a horrible defensive team so keep that in mind. He’s a well above average nhl goalie. In saying that, he doesn’t fit what the Sabres need

For the past 4 seasons?  And the Sabres weren't great defensively either.  Not worth the risk to find out he peaked 5 seasons ago.

[LGR4GM]

8 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

On a horrible defensive team so keep that in mind. He’s a well above average nhl goalie. In saying that, he doesn’t fit what the Sabres need

No, he's not. 

 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by LGR4GM

[Buffalonill]

7 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

On a horrible defensive team so keep that in mind. He’s a well above average nhl goalie. In saying that, he doesn’t fit what the Sabres need

He has a horrible contract and has been Declining every year.

Explain to me why his back ups does good but he can't? 

[Taro T]

2 minutes ago, Buffalonill said:

He has a horrible contract and has been Declining every year.

Explain to me why his back ups does good but he can't? 

Will preface this with not wanting ANYTHING to do with Gibson.

But a reason why the backups look reasonable and the starter looks like trash, especially on one of the 3 worst teams in the league, is that the starter gets the bulk of the games against good teams which are significantly better than the skaters in front of him so he looks even worse than he should but the backups get to play against teams that are aren't significantly better than the skaters in front of them or maybe even that 1 or 2 teams that the Ducks are actually better than.  Who you play against can go a long way towards making you look like a hero or a bum.

Only saw 2 Ducks games this year, so this spitballing could be WAY off.  But should it turn out Gibson gets moved and actually stops being a sieve, it would go a long way towards explaining it.  Even if he still is bad (as expected) but not terrible ...

[mjd1001]

Zero interest in him.

I'm not even sure he would be any better next year than a healthy Comrie (I still think Comrie played through some injury woes even when he came back) or UPL.  And to give up anything for that?

I posted this in another thread about him, but the last time he had a 'good' year, Jeff Skinner was in his FIRST year with the Sabres.  And even that year was 'good', not great.

[Doohickie]

See, this is why Kevyn has said he's good with what we currently have.  There are other options out there but as you explore them none of them are really what he's looking for.

Gibson is at best average.  He would be okay in a mentoring role like Anderson, but probably doesn't have 40-50 quality games in him.

Helle is a viable option until you consider you're either getting him for only one year or you're going to have to pay him too much for too long if you sign an extension.

Any top quality FA goalie falls in the same bucket as Helle:  They will cost too much for too long.

It's easier and more practical to improve the defense and KA has already taken steps there, with perhaps more coming.  And as I alluded to, I think his strategy is to put a good team in front of whatever goalie we have, good enough that the goalie isn't the linchpin holding the team together.  Having a hero goalie is fun but being able to win games without the heroics in goal is more what Kevyn is after I think.

[Buffalonill]

Lock it up this ends it.

 

[GoPuckYourself]

Way too much term for a guy who has regressed. We need a 2-3 year bridge guy with Levi. Gibson was my desperation goalie when we had nobody. 

[B-U-F-F-A-L-O]

15 hours ago, sweetlou said:

According to a report by Frak Seravalli, John Gibson asked for a trade and said, "I am not playing another game for the Anaheim Ducks".

 

John Gibson Career Stats

                                    GP   GS       W      L        T      OT     SA       GA        GAA         S         S%        SO        MIN                                                                 
2013-2014    ANA      3         3       3        0      --      0        87         4         1.33        83      .954        1          181:07
2014-2015    ANA      23     21      13        8      --      0      674       58        2.60      616       .914        1    1,339:55
2015-2016    ANA      40     38      21      13      --     4       992       79        2.07      913       .920       4    2,294:40
2016-2017    ANA      52     49      25      16     --      9     1,437     109.      2.22    1,328      .924       6    2,950:21
2017-2018    ANA      60     60      31      18      0      7      1,872     139       2.43    1,733      .926       4    3,428:29
2018-2019    ANA      58     57      26      22     0      8     1,838      153       2.84    1,685      .917        2    3,233:02
2019-2020    ANA      51     51      20      26     0      5      1,552     149       3.00    1,403      .904       1    2,981:17
2020-2021    ANA      35    35       9       19     0       7      1,042     101       2.98       941      .903       3    2,030:30
2021-2022    ANA      56    56      18      26     0      11      1,789     172       3.19      1,617     .904        1    3,235:35
2022-2023    ANA      53    52      14      31     0       8      1,983    200       3.99    1,783      .899       1    3,004:55
Career    -                  431    422   180   179    --    59    13,266   1,164      2.83    12,102     .912     24    24,679:51

 

He has been a sub 3.00 GAA and better than .900 S% every year until Anaheim started their rebuild 2 years ago.  He is a proven goaltender that can split time for two years with Levi and then be a solid back up option.

Not sure what the cost would below since he has clearly demanded a trade.

I would expect it to be UPL, 24 2nd rd pick and Joker/Olofsson.  If they want a prospect like Rosen or Östlund, I would even do that, but then include Henrique
                                                                                                                                    

Just throwing in Rosen or Östlund?  LOL, that’s nuts.

No thank you….

[DarthEbriate]

I'd rather send Levi down to Rochester and roll with UPL and Comrie again than to acquire Gibson for 4 years of continued downward spiral until a buyout.

 

12 hours ago, Taro T said:

But a reason why the backups look reasonable and the starter looks like trash, especially on one of the 3 worst teams in the league, is that the starter gets the bulk of the games against good teams which are significantly better than the skaters in front of him so he looks even worse than he should but the backups get to play against teams that are aren't significantly better than the skaters in front of them or maybe even that 1 or 2 teams that the Ducks are actually better than.  Who you play against can go a long way towards making you look like a hero or a bum.

I agree that the best goalie is going to get shelled on very bad teams, but to bring it local: Ullmark had the best numbers on a couple bad Sabres squads. You could see he was the best option even if the occasional Houser came along and had a great game.

With Gibson it's constant. The last time he led his team in sv% was 2016-17 (7 seasons ago!) when they were a very good 1st place team with a very sturdy d-corps. Ryan Miller wasn't even on the Ducks yet. And technically, Gibson wasn't the leader that season because our very own Dustin Tokarski had a 5-save appearance and ended the season with 1.00sv% and 0.0 GAA in 10 minutes of game time.

[ShadowOnTheDoor]

23 hours ago, kas23 said:

I just don’t see how this would be at all possible. He is owed $6.4M for the next 4 years. Even if they retain 50%, it still doesn’t make sense. At this rate, it would’ve been smarter to sign Ullmark for a 6 year contract. 
 

As an aside, I find it ridiculous how players demand trades when they signed a guaranteed contract. Shouldn’t have signed for such long term then. I also don’t believe the agent here. That’s damage control…for himself. Best thing would be to terminate the contract, but the agent will do anything to prevent that. 

If they pick up 50%, I'm doing it

[Curt]

2 hours ago, ShadowOnTheDoor said:

If they pick up 50%, I'm doing it

By “doing it” do you mean taking Gibson for free?

[Night Train]

 " Wait.. I've HEARD of him ! " 

 

 Yuck..

[Doohickie]

19 hours ago, DarthEbriate said:

Dustin Tokarski had a 5-save appearance and ended the season with 1.00sv% and 0.0 GAA in 10 minutes of game time.

No Toke over the line?  Sweet Jesus!

[MBD]

On 7/4/2023 at 11:58 AM, Doohickie said:

See, this is why Kevyn has said he's good with what we currently have.  There are other options out there but as you explore them none of them are really what he's looking for.

Gibson is at best average.  He would be okay in a mentoring role like Anderson, but probably doesn't have 40-50 quality games in him.

Helle is a viable option until you consider you're either getting him for only one year or you're going to have to pay him too much for too long if you sign an extension.

Any top quality FA goalie falls in the same bucket as Helle:  They will cost too much for too long.

It's easier and more practical to improve the defense and KA has already taken steps there, with perhaps more coming.  And as I alluded to, I think his strategy is to put a good team in front of whatever goalie we have, good enough that the goalie isn't the linchpin holding the team together.  Having a hero goalie is fun but being able to win games without the heroics in goal is more what Kevyn is after I think.

Helle for 1 year would be fine while Levi gets his feet frozen.  The question is compensation.

[Doohickie]

4 minutes ago, MBD said:

Helle for 1 year would be fine while Levi gets his feet frozen.  The question is compensation.

EXACTLY.  Kevyn is not going to pay an arm and a leg for a one year rental, and he doesn't want to give Helle a max term extension.

So many people think that this is fantasy sports where you can just arbitrarily put a team together with whatever players you want.  Real life doesn't work that way.