LGR4GM Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Ristolainen, Scandella, Bogosian, Dahlin, Beaulieu, Hunwick, McCabe, Nelson, Pilut Guhle Hickey This isn't the order, just the number we have who can compete for an NHL roster spot. Hickey to me is the only one on the list that's a little bit of a stretch. We will carry 7 defenders maybe 8. To make it hard, pick the 6 defenders who are on the opening night roster after the camp battle ends. You can add 2 more defenders you think will be part of the 23 man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amerks8796 Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 I believe Botterill carried 8D most, if not all, last season. If everyone is healthy, Guhle, Pilut and Hickey will be sent down to start the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Edited August 29, 2018 by dudacek 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 46 minutes ago, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. This seems right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 47 minutes ago, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Top-6 seem pretty set. I'd like to say that Ghule makes it, but even thought he's probably better than Hunwick or Beaulieu I don't think he cracks the every day lineup, so he might as well actually play in Rochester. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Pilut is making this team, bet on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 All I know is this is the best group fighting for 6 spots we have had in it seems like forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amerks8796 Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, WildCard said: Pilut is making this team, bet on it Sexton literally said he’ll start in Rochester to get adjusted. There would need to be like 3 injuries on defense or he’ll have to have an all time great camp to make the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 hour ago, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. This 15 minutes ago, sabills said: Top-6 seem pretty set. I'd like to say that Ghule makes it, but even thought he's probably better than Hunwick or Beaulieu I don't think he cracks the every day lineup, so he might as well actually play in Rochester. And this. Guhle is probably good enough to make the team (top 8) but he's better off playing top minutes in Rochester rather than playing spot duty or bottom pairing with the big club and since he's waiver eligible they should probably send him down until his play forces them to keep him up and feed him minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) Just now, Amerks8796 said: Sexton literally said he’ll start in Rochester to get adjusted. There would need to be like 3 injuries on defense or he’ll have to have an all time great camp to make the team. Alright so maybe don't bet on it then Edited August 29, 2018 by WildCard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 I agree with duda's lineup except that I think Hunwick will start over Nelson, and Nelson and Beaulieu will be the 2 extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 I think at least 1 of the players is traded prior to the season starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. Now you see why I want to trade for Faulk. Bogo is no longer a top 4 D and although we are stuck with him for two more seasons, I think his best fit now is as the physical 3 pair. Hunwick and Baloo are LHDs as are Guhle and Pilut. I’d like to have Nelson as the 4th RHD then playing ever night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 23 minutes ago, GASabresIUFAN said: Now you see why I want to trade for Faulk. Bogo is no longer a top 4 D and although we are stuck with him for two more seasons, I think his best fit now is as the physical 3 pair. Hunwick and Baloo are LHDs as are Guhle and Pilut. I’d like to have Nelson as the 4th RHD then playing ever night. Can you imagine how much worse it would look if we traded Ristolainen just to shake up the core? People wanted to ship him out for Klefbom (another LHD) and a draft pick. It just boggles the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabills Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Alkoholist said: Can you imagine how much worse it would look if we traded Ristolainen just to shake up the core? People wanted to ship him out for Klefbom (another LHD) and a draft pick. It just boggles the mind. That idea would probably have carried more weight if they hadn't gotten Dahlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tondas Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 There are really only 4 D-men that pose a waiver problem: 1. Ristolainen 2. Scandella 3. McCabe 4. Nelson All else are exempt or "effectively exempt" (if the Sabres waived Bogosian and/or Hunwick, the choosing team would be doing the Sabres a favor). So the decision to keep Bogo or Hunwick should be solely performance based because there is no risk of losing them. Now I don't know what that would do to the Vet/ELC proportion for the Amerks, but I'll leave that to JBOT and Sexton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tondas said: There are really only 4 D-men that pose a waiver problem: 1. Ristolainen 2. Scandella 3. McCabe 4. Nelson All else are exempt or "effectively exempt" (if the Sabres waived Bogosian and/or Hunwick, the choosing team would be doing the Sabres a favor). So the decision to keep Bogo or Hunwick should be solely performance based because there is no risk of losing them. Now I don't know what that would do to the Vet/ELC proportion for the Amerks, but I'll leave that to JBOT and Sexton. I don’t think Jbot is worried or even cares whether or not someone like Bogo or Hunwick get claimed. His biggest concern is dead cap money. We have 3.9 this season because of Moulson. We’ll have only 1.5 mill in cap after Reinhart signs. We also have a potential liability of $6 mill if Dahlin and Mittelstadt earn all their bonuses. If we don't have enough cap to pay those bonuses this season, it comes off the top next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) I am even less worried about the cap next year when 14.975mil will come off the cap in the forms of Zegmus, Larsson, Moulson, Pommers, and Bealueiue although... we do have Skinner to re-sign... even still, I think the cap is manageable next season. It will go up another 2 mil so that helps too. Edited August 29, 2018 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: I am even less worried about the cap next year when 14.975mil will come off the cap in the forms of Zegmus, Larsson, Moulson, Pommers, and Bealueiue although... we do have Skinner to re-sign... even still, I think the cap is manageable next season. It will go up another 2 mil so that helps too. Sounds like we have about $8M to play with next year in this scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, dudacek said: Scandella Ristolainen Dahlin Bogosian McCabe Nelson To me, that’s almost a given opening night, pending a roster move. Guhle will force himself into the lineup at some point this season, but waivers mean he’s on the farm until injury, trade or awful play opens a spot for him. Hunwick and Beaulieu are fighting for the seventh spot. With the outside possibility that Hunwick beats out Nelson, that's my expectation. IF the Sabres are out of contention in the '19 portion of the season would like to see Guhle & Pilut bumping into the 6. Will probably see at least 1 of them & Dahlin slid to the right side when Bogosian inevitably breaks anyhow. Edited August 29, 2018 by Taro T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 Interesting quote from Davis Payne that echoes what we’ve seen from Housley and Botterill: “Our message all along has been backend out and we're adding some real good pieces, we're bringing some guys back in our lineup that missed significant time last year," Payne said. "I think that's just going to allow us to get the puck quicker, transition quicker, and play the fast game that we want to play." Dahlin, of course, but they are clearly counting on Bogo and McCabe to boost the back line. You wonder what that means for Pilut, Nelson and Guhle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, dudacek said: Interesting quote from Davis Payne that echoes what we’ve seen from Housley and Botterill: “Our message all along has been backend out and we're adding some real good pieces, we're bringing some guys back in our lineup that missed significant time last year," Payne said. "I think that's just going to allow us to get the puck quicker, transition quicker, and play the fast game that we want to play." Dahlin, of course, but they are clearly counting on Bogo and McCabe to boost the back line. You wonder what that means for Pilut, Nelson and Guhle. It means work hard, play well and bide your time because everyone on the depth chart in front of you except Dahlin and Risto are on two years or less deals. Their oppotunity to shine is coming and soon. Baloo and McCabe are RFAs after this season. Hunwick, Nelson, Bogo and Scandella have two years left and it’s likely that only Scandella is re-signed and even that is a serious maybe because of his age then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawerchuk Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 I really hope we don't have to see Beaulieu on the ice for the Sabres ever again! I haven't even seen Hunwick skate and I'd rather start him over Beaulieu any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 As Vogl put it in the Athletic... Quote The fight for a spot on the third pair should be a knockdown, drag-out affair. Jake McCabe has the inside track after recovering from shoulder surgery, but he’ll battle with NHL veterans Matt Hunwick and Nathan Beaulieu, second-year pro Brendan Guhle, and Swedish defenseman of the year Lawrence Pilut. He has Scandella and Dahlin as the top 2 LW Defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFAN Posted August 30, 2018 Report Share Posted August 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, LGR4GM said: As Vogl put it in the Athletic... He has Scandella and Dahlin as the top 2 LW Defenders. So does everyone. Jbot said Dahlin is going to be on the left side, despite playing right in Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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