Sabel79 Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 Can confirm, as I was born in Germany to American parents. Evidently the Army screwed something up with my paperwork, and as such INS got involved when my mom tried to register me for Kindergarten when I was five. Happened again when I tried to get my License at 16. Had to get my congressman’s office involved at that point. Didn’t get a license until a month before i graduated. Now I have a fancy birth certificate issued by the state department... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hank said: You misunderstand. Army guy and American wife. That child is a German citizen with German birth certificate. They'll also have naturalization paperwork and have duel citizenship, but a German birth certificate. Oh, I understood, but American guy and German mother, non-married, and the situation becomes complicated. 8 USC 1409. The "formula" is only guaranteed to work if (1) the mother is American or (2) the couple are married. Edited November 1, 2018 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, Eleven said: Oh, I understood, but American guy and German mother, non-married, and the situation becomes complicated. 8 USC 1409. The "formula" is only guaranteed to work if (1) the mother is American or (2) the couple are married. How is that at all relevant to what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hank said: How is that at all relevant to what I said? My first response was tagging along on what you said, not arguing with it. Edited November 1, 2018 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Eleven said: I was tagging along on what you said, not arguing with it. Ah, gotcha! Was a little slow on that one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 16 hours ago, JujuFish said: That is not my premise and if that was the implication you took, then I have not been clear enough. The point is that if you're restricting birthright citizenship to only those who have citizen parents, then the logical repercussion is that anyone who cannot prove their lineage with respect to citizenship can no longer be a true citizen. If, say, your great grandmother was never a US citizen, then by your birthright logic her child (your grandmother/father) isn't a citizen and thus logically their child (your mother/father) isn't a citizen and thus logically their child (you) isn't a citizen. It's faulty logic and a terribly slippery slope. There's no discussion of proving lineage though and it was never my suggestion to enact some kind of retroactive policy back the formation of the United States. Those who are citizens today are citizens today and remain citizens. The rule was the rule. The proposal was simply going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LTS said: There's no discussion of proving lineage though and it was never my suggestion to enact some kind of retroactive policy back the formation of the United States. Those who are citizens today are citizens today and remain citizens. The rule was the rule. The proposal was simply going forward. There have been a lot of things that there hasn't been a discussion about until suddenly Trump makes it a discussion. Granted I think immigration issues are and have been ongoing and should have been worked on in a bipartisan fashion. Edited November 1, 2018 by LGR4GM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: There have been a lot of things that there hasn't been a discussion about until suddenly Trump makes it a discussion. Granted I think immigration issues are and have been ongoing and should have been worked on in a bipartisan fashion. Such as sending 15,000 troops to the Mexican border with the caravan 1000 miles away, 5 days before the election. Nope, not a political stunt at all. How much is this going to cost us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Eleven said: Such as sending 15,000 troops to the Mexican border with the caravan 1000 miles away, 5 days before the election. Nope, not a political stunt at all. How much is this going to cost us? Less than his golf trips? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, Eleven said: How much is this going to cost us? Not as much as you might think, troops get paid the same no matter where they are or what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hank said: Not as much as you might think, troops get paid the same no matter where they are or what they're doing. It's the transportation and housing that's going to be expensive, not the compensation. Do we have barracks for 15,000 soldiers on the border? (I honestly don't know.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Eleven said: It's the transportation and housing that's going to be expensive, not the compensation. Do we have barracks for 15,000 soldiers on the border? (I honestly don't know.) They'll live in tents. Costs will be fuel, food and water. This event will replace scheduled training exercises though, so food and water are cancelled out. Only real expenditure is fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 1 hour ago, LGR4GM said: Less than his golf trips? 13 minutes ago, Hank said: They'll live in tents. Costs will be fuel, food and water. This event will replace scheduled training exercises though, so food and water are cancelled out. Only real expenditure is fuel. Ok, so less than the golf trips, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted November 1, 2018 Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 3 hours ago, LGR4GM said: There have been a lot of things that there hasn't been a discussion about until suddenly Trump makes it a discussion. Granted I think immigration issues are and have been ongoing and should have been worked on in a bipartisan fashion. Oh I wasn't referring to Trump there. Just my suggestion in hashing through the concept I had floated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 Those tariffs still aren’t working..... U.S. trade deficit rises 1.3% in September to $54 billion. Imports up 1.5% to record $266.6 billion. Exports also increase 1.5%, to $212.6 billion. Deficit with China hits new record despite tariffs. Trade gap on track to reach 10-year high in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, Weave said: Those tariffs still aren’t working..... U.S. trade deficit rises 1.3% in September to $54 billion. Imports up 1.5% to record $266.6 billion. Exports also increase 1.5%, to $212.6 billion. Deficit with China hits new record despite tariffs. Trade gap on track to reach 10-year high in 2018. Those tariffs cost Buffalo 77 jobs yesterday. https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/bak-usa-to-close-immediately/71-610353438 "The additional, unanticipated expenses associated with the tariffs imposed by the White House were a deciding factor in our ultimate decision to close." This is going to happen to businesses all over the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Eleven said: Those tariffs cost Buffalo 77 jobs yesterday. https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/bak-usa-to-close-immediately/71-610353438 "The additional, unanticipated expenses associated with the tariffs imposed by the White House were a deciding factor in our ultimate decision to close." This is going to happen to businesses all over the country. Yup. we laid off last month. And early retirements were offered this month. Early retirements offers are typically followed up with more layoffs if they don't get the number of volunteers they want. Our business is down 20% in the last 6 months. China is 30% of our market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted November 2, 2018 Report Share Posted November 2, 2018 58 minutes ago, Weave said: Yup. we laid off last month. And early retirements were offered this month. Early retirements offers are typically followed up with more layoffs if they don't get the number of volunteers they want. Our business is down 20% in the last 6 months. China is 30% of our market. But brown people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnkirishone Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Weave said: Yup. we laid off last month. And early retirements were offered this month. Early retirements offers are typically followed up with more layoffs if they don't get the number of volunteers they want. Our business is down 20% in the last 6 months. China is 30% of our market. It is almost like trade wars are only good for the wealthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, drnkirishone said: It is almost like trade wars are only good for the wealthy... I don't see how they are good for anyone. I can't imagine our shareholders are happy with the results so far..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, drnkirishone said: It is almost like trade wars are only good for the wealthy... 59 minutes ago, Weave said: I don't see how they are good for anyone. I can't imagine our shareholders are happy with the results so far..... Because he's been betting against US manufacturing the entire time, as dictated by his creditors in Russia and China.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted November 4, 2018 Report Share Posted November 4, 2018 Did Trump admit last night that the Russians stole the election for him? Quote Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump Rumor has it that Senator Joe Donnelly of Indiana is paying for Facebook ads for his so-called opponent on the libertarian ticket. Donnelly is trying to steal the election? Isn’t that what Russia did!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 5, 2018 Report Share Posted November 5, 2018 Who the hell knows. Nothing Trump says actually means anything. His supporters do all the interpretation for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) Typical of our current administration. From a humanitarian standpoint, good. But the implications of this, especially as it is being viewed by those it is aimed at... we're in trouble. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/verabergengruen/migrant-caravan-trump-tough-talk-reality?__twitter_impression=true Edited November 6, 2018 by Sabel79 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted November 6, 2018 Report Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Sabel79 said: Typical of our current administration. From a humanitarian standpoint, good. But the implications of this, especially as it is being viewed by those it is aimed at... we're in trouble. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/verabergengruen/migrant-caravan-trump-tough-talk-reality?__twitter_impression=true Frankly, the troops we're sending down there are going to be there to protect the migrants from our unregulated militia nuts: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-administration-migrant-caravan-border-troops-1196855 Quote “Estimated 200 unregulated armed militia members currently operating along the southwest border. Reported incidents of unregulated militias stealing National Guard equipment during deployments. They operate under the guise of citizen patrols supporting CBP [Customs and Border Protection] primarily between POEs [Points of Entry],” according to the documents. Edited November 6, 2018 by darksabre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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