Thorny Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) If ROR is indeed traded, I do not expect it to be a dumb trade, but I expect a heavy majority of the posts here indicate unhappiness with the return. It’s going to be a trade for futures and prospects. Botterill has his timeline, and it’s not favourable to the “complete for the playoffs next season” line of thinking. The trade of ROR around the time we draft Dahlin will almost perfectly mirror the trade FOR O’Reilly around the time we picked Eichel. Perfectly contrasting the difference between GMTM and GMJB. Murray attempted to win then, Botterill is going to attempt to play the long game. I just hope the currency paid, Prime Years of Jack Eichel, will have been worth it all. Edited June 16, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Why does ROR have to be moved for the team to be Jack’s? I’m sure the team Jack wants handed to him comes complete with a capable 2C. Two months ago everybody was talking about a divided room and fixing the chemistry. Botterill said “what we have is not working.” And pledged to make changes. People on here put it on Botterill to figure out what was wrong with this team and fix it. Maybe that is exactly what he is doing. If ROR is indeed traded, I do not expect it to be a dumb trade, but I expect a heavy majority of the posts here indicate unhappiness with the return.Word. Edited June 16, 2018 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Two months ago everybody was talking about a divided room and fixing the chemistry. Botterill said “what we have is not working.” And pledged to make changes. People on here put it on a Botterill to figure out what was wrong with this team and fix it. Maybe that is exactly what he is doing. Word. Could be, and in that case it would be hard to take issue with the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Despite my rosy Karlsson scenarios upthread, getting him is highly unlikely. I don’t expect an established NHL player better than Skinner or Pacioretty coming back, although I do expect high speed and a top prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Two months ago I broke down how ROR, Jack, Sam, and even Kyle and Kane had their best ever seasons as Sabres players at ES and/or in general, while the Sabres simultaneously got dozens of goals worse from their depth at the time. Pretending locker room clean out quotes are as important as building a team around 3 good forwards like any other team that becomes good does is a great way to not get better now or in the foreseeable future. This is all built on the stipulation that we don't get two proven pieces back, which appears as if it would be the case. Edited June 16, 2018 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) Two months ago I broke down how ROR, Jack, Sam, and even Kyle and Kane had their best ever seasons as Sabres players at ES and/or in general, while the Sabres simultaneously got dozens of goals worse from their depth at the time. Pretending locker room clean out quotes are as important as building a team around 3 good forwards like any other team that becomes good does is a great way to not get better now or in the foreseeable future.This is all built on the stipulation that we don't get two proven pieces back, which appears as if it would be the case. It’s scary then - in the sense that, if ROR gets traded, is your faith in Botterill shaken? There still could be other causes. O’Reilly could have quietly requested a trade, for one. One may have a rooting interest in keeping that kind of attitude away from Jack, perhaps. Should that factor in? Does winning cure that too? Edited June 16, 2018 by Thorny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 It’s scary then - in the sense that, if ROR gets traded, is your faith in Botterill shaken? There still could be other causes. O’Reilly could have quietly requested a trade, for one. One may have a routing interest in keeping that kind of attitude away from Jack, perhaps. Should that factor in? Does winning cure that too? My faith in Botterill has been shaken since October to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 My faith in Botterill has been shaken since October to be honest So early on, doh.. Because of the bottom 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKnowPhysics Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 If ROR is indeed traded, I do not expect it to be a dumb trade, but I expect a heavy majority of the posts here indicate unhappiness with the return. Maybe rightfully so. Some, including I, believe the return has to be bonkers to be worth moving ROR out. What can Botterill seriously get in return that makes this team better and not worse, and doesn't continue to leverage the now for the future. Any deal for a package makes this team worse. Any deal for a good prospect makes this team worse. Is Botterill going to piss away ROR just to fill Kane's spot? Just to break even, it'd have to be one of the 30 best defensemen in the league or a top pair D and a starting goalie, and even if he does that, there's no guarantee we can score enough to win next year, because between ROR and Kane we've just removed 44 goals from an NHL-low 198 goals for. It's an easy recipe for dissatisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 I suspect if Botterill trades O’Reilly for futures, it will be accompanied by other moves that will compensate. He has no intention of being worse next season. I’m also reminded of the Alex Mogilny trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Trading ROR would be really stupid. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 So early on, doh.. Because of the bottom 6? All the bad parts of our team got worse so he wants to fix it by trading the second best part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dominator Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Am I the only one that doesn't want Pacioretty? On the last year of his deal and he's already 29, why would we want to get older and also pay him a premium as he turns 30? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Am I the only one that doesn't want Pacioretty? On the last year of his deal and he's already 29, why would we want to get older and also pay him a premium as he turns 30? 97.5 Percent of the Board agrees with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 97.5 Percent of the Board agrees with you. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Apparently Harrington doesn't think that ROR is getting traded, he thinks that all the trade rumors were fabricated by Canadian media. Not sure if he'd actually know but I hope he's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dominator Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 97.5 Percent of the Board agrees with you. Yup. Gotcha. I saw his name mentioned a few times in this thread and was trying to figure out if I was missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Apparently Harrington doesn't think that ROR is getting traded, he thinks that all the trade rumors were fabricated by Canadian media. Not sure if he'd actually know but I hope he's right. Fake news, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Am I the only one that doesn't want Pacioretty? On the last year of his deal and he's already 29, why would we want to get older and also pay him a premium as he turns 30? I don’t remember anyone but me posting in favour of Pacioretty. Most people feel exactly the same way you do. And to be clear, I am not interested in him as a return for O’Reilly. I think he’s worth a late first. Id trade that value for him to help us this year, then flip him for similar value at the deadline unless he’s amenable to a discount contract. We are desperate for left wingers and goal scorers. He is one of the league’s best-scoring left-wingers and would produce a ton with Jack playing for UFA contract. Apparently Harrington doesn't think that ROR is getting traded, he thinks that all the trade rumors were fabricated by Canadian media. Not sure if he'd actually know but I hope he's right. Wait a minute. Harrington is accusing professional journalists of fabricating? But they have degrees! Ask yourself: who is more plugged in: Harrington, or McKenzie, Friedman and Lebrun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 *raises hand* I'll gladly take Pacioretty for a rental year if the price is right. I understand he had a really bad season, but he also just had 4 straight years of scoring 30+ goals, and did so in 5 of the 6 before this season. So that's two times in 7 years he *didn't* score 30, and one of those seasons was the lockout year where he had 15 in 44 games, which easily could have been another 30 goal campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 I know some feel the Reinhart at 2C thing has failed, but I still don't believe it has. Give him some good fast forechecking wingers and I think he can succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 I don’t remember anyone but me posting in favour of Pacioretty. Most people feel exactly the same way you do. And to be clear, I am not interested in him as a return for O’Reilly. I think he’s worth a late first. Id trade that value for him to help us this year, then flip him for similar value at the deadline unless he’s amenable to a discount contract. We are desperate for left wingers and goal scorers. He is one of the league’s best-scoring left-wingers and would produce a ton with Jack playing for UFA contract. Wait a minute. Harrington is accusing professional journalists of fabricating? But they have degrees! Ask yourself: who is more plugged in: Harrington, or McKenzie, Friedman and Lebrun? Yup. I’d take him, just not for ROR. I think you guys are right that he’d have a nice season paired up with Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 All the bad parts of our team got worse so he wants to fix it by trading the second best part The bad parts of the team were not meant to get better last year. You don't sign Josefson, Nolan, Pouliott, etc. if you are trying to get better. You sign them to put a team on the ice so your younger talent can develop more in the AHL. The defense was bad, but it did show signs of improvement once some of the younger players had to come up. The goaltending was always going to be questionable but the question was answered. Lehner was not the answer. The question now is, who will be the answer. If you believe last season was about anything more than keeping younger players in Rochester while positioning the team to be more successful this year then I understand why you'd have no faith in the GM. I am judging Botterill on what he does between now and the start of the season. If ROR gets traded I'm not going to be too concerned until I can see all the moves combined to see what his intention was for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatorman0519 Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I like that JBOT is not buying out anyone. Wise move. Eat those contracts now and we will be cleared up to sign Dahlin and Mitts down the road long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted June 17, 2018 Report Share Posted June 17, 2018 I don’t remember anyone but me posting in favour of Pacioretty. Most people feel exactly the same way you do. And to be clear, I am not interested in him as a return for O’Reilly. I think he’s worth a late first. Id trade that value for him to help us this year, then flip him for similar value at the deadline unless he’s amenable to a discount contract. We are desperate for left wingers and goal scorers. He is one of the league’s best-scoring left-wingers and would produce a ton with Jack playing for UFA contract. Wait a minute. Harrington is accusing professional journalists of fabricating? But they have degrees! Ask yourself: who is more plugged in: Harrington, or McKenzie, Friedman and Lebrun? Im not sure, because I don't know if you remember, but I tore into those guys a couple months ago because they spent 3 months completely fabricating Kane trade stories before admitting that the Sabres got one serious call and it was the day of the trade deadline. They're garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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