Georgia Blizzard Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) I certainly hope so. Three things that absolutely frustrate me to no end when I watch this team is how slowly they seem to process the game (i.e. no quick puck movement/passing, no consistent sense of anticipation), how they have zero gap control, and how they always try to play the puck instead of the man in front of the net. Couldn't agree more, power play and D-zone exits are great examples of where skating speed isn't the issue, but ability to quickly process the game, make a decision and execute a pass or a shot They are the worst passing team I can recall Edited January 17, 2018 by Georgia Blizzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 J Bot understands speed is more than how fast you can skate, speed is how fast you can play, there's a big difference. Yup. I don't think the problem is lack of team speed. The problem is lack of players that want to play at a fast tempo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Wouldn’t trade ROR this year; maybe if Middlestadt makes him expendable Am I the only one that pictures CM on Jack's wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Am I the only one that pictures CM on Jack's wing? I think it'd be a case of Kane again with the whole there's only one puck thing. Let them be separate to make players around them better and drive the play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erickompositör72 Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Am I the only one that pictures CM on Jack's wing? Casey shows signs that he can drive his own line, I think. I think Nylander, despite all current doubt cast on him, could be an ideal winger for Eichel- Jack could literally do all the work and just let Alex finish the play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think it'd be a case of Kane again with the whole there's only one puck thing. Let them be separate to make players around them better and drive the play If that's the case we need like 17 wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 If that's the case we need like 17 wingers Which is why Reinhart, Nylander, and Kane are such enormous deals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 I think it'd be a case of Kane again with the whole there's only one puck thing. Let them be separate to make players around them better and drive the play Tampa doesn't seem to have that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Tampa doesn't seem to have that problem. Good point. Then again there's Malkin and Crosby, Toews and Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 Good point. Then again there's Malkin and Crosby, Toews and Kane I think the whole, two guys driving play, thing is way overblown. Centers generally make good wings. Multiple dynamic players on a line are only a hindrance if they won't work with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted January 17, 2018 Report Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) On paper, Nylander is the perfect fit with Jack, along with a big body crease crasher. I’ve been waiting to see Nylander, Fasching Eichel since Alex was drafted. It was the only thing that let me like the pick. Can’t see why Reinhart and Casey can’t be a thing like Reinhart and Domi were a thing. Edited January 17, 2018 by Mick O’Manly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Mittelstadt could definitely play with Eichel. He and Eichel have a similar head for the game. Kane does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 I think the whole, two guys driving play, thing is way overblown. Centers generally make good wings. Multiple dynamic players on a line are only a hindrance if they won't work with each other. Correct. Martin wouldn't have scored 50 without Perreault. And add Robert into the mix. A good solid first line isn't an obsolete idea. Mittelstadt could definitely play with Eichel. He and Eichel have a similar head for the game. Kane does not. No. No more two centers together, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Correct. Martin wouldn't have scored 50 without Perreault. And add Robert into the mix. A good solid first line isn't an obsolete idea. No. No more two centers together, please. But high talent guys that play centre in juniors/pre-NHL play wing in the big leagues all the time. I’d prefer Casey at C as it’s the most valuable position, but there’s no reason he couldn’t hack wing with Eichel. Richard Rakell is a mainstay, effective wing for the Ducks who played C as a prospect. Just one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) But high talent guys that play centre in juniors/pre-NHL play wing in the big leagues all the time. I’d prefer Casey at C as it’s the most valuable position, but there’s no reason he couldn’t hack wing with Eichel. Yes they do and no, that's not right for Mittlestadt. He's a creator. Put him at center. Sabres should have kept Reinhart there as well. Edited January 18, 2018 by Eleven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yes they do and no, that's not right for Mittlestadt. He's a creator. Put him at center. Sabres should have kept Reinhart there as well. I see what you’re saying. Can’t say it’s not a logical stance to take. Reinhart is a good example of someone who’s stand-out skills (distribution) are best suited to centre. If the Sabres don’t see him as a centre, or he can’t excel in that position at the NHL level, his upside as a Sabre may be quite limited on the wing. Centres do transition to the wing often, but perhaps he doesn’t have the board play for it. Patrick Sharp is mentioned often here as a Reinhart comparable, but maybe that’s just not him. I see Mittelstadt in a different light, but you are correct that centre would be ideal for a player of his strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 I think the whole, two guys driving play, thing is way overblown. Centers generally make good wings. Multiple dynamic players on a line are only a hindrance if they won't work with each other. They're also a hindrance if they make you a one-line team. If O'Reilly is moved and Mittelstadt is playing on Eichel's wing, who in the world is centering our second best line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 They're also a hindrance if they make you a one-line team. If O'Reilly is moved and Mittelstadt is playing on Eichel's wing, who in the world is centering our second best line? Ya, we’re gonna need one of Mittelstadt or O’Reilly at 2C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 They're also a hindrance if they make you a one-line team. If O'Reilly is moved and Mittelstadt is playing on Eichel's wing, who in the world is centering our second best line? i can randomly put conditions on this too. But my point wasn't meant to be anything other than dynamic players that drive play don't need to be separated simply because they both like to set up play. Yes they do and no, that's not right for Mittlestadt. He's a creator. Put him at center. Sabres should have kept Reinhart there as well. i can't find the post, but there was an analysis post WJC of the prospects that really shown well, and when they discussed Casey, one of the items specifically mentioned was that it looked like he'd have an ability to really shine at wing in the NHL too. Point was, he didn't need to center his own line in their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yes they do and no, that's not right for Mittlestadt. He's a creator. Put him at center. Sabres should have kept Reinhart there as well. If your O'Reilly talk is true then you may get your wish with Sam at C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTS Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 ROR better be bringing me more than faceoffs. For the record I would have to be blown away by a ROR trade. Like Bellows, 1st this year, 2nd next year, and Mitchel Vonde Sompel. Maybe instead of Sompel, go with Ho-Sang but that might be way over priced. You mean this Ho-Sang? https://www.bardown.com/the-islanders-ahl-coach-called-out-josh-ho-sang-for-being-a-baby-and-immature-1.967090 Yea... no thanks. At this point I think if someone offered the Islanders a yellow raincoat they'd trade Ho-Sang for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Rumors I heard from well-placed sources this morning: Don't be surprised if O'Reilly is shipped out. Ditto. Told about 50/50 chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) Sabres need to send several bodies at once in a megadeal and transplant the core. Edited January 18, 2018 by Marvelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottysabres Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Ditto. Told about 50/50 chance. I have to wonder about the return. 7.5 a season is stiff, especially if other GM's recognize the lack of speed as a problem as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 i can randomly put conditions on this too. But my point wasn't meant to be anything other than dynamic players that drive play don't need to be separated simply because they both like to set up play. Fair 'nuff. I took you to be talking more about the Sabres' situation in particular. Ya, we’re gonna need one of Mittelstadt or O’Reilly at 2C. If your O'Reilly talk is true then you may get your wish with Sam at C Well, it'd certainly be one way to get another look at him there. A bad way, in my view, but a way nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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