sabills Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I really think Matthews is in the same boat. Maybe not to the extent as Eichel is, but he is by far and away the face of the franchise in Toronto. Eichel is just by by far far and away away They'll tell you its Mitch Marner, too. Mostly because he's Canadian. Matthews should be, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorny Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I'll one-up you. If Jack isn't the captain when the season opens I will take to the internet, purchase a jar of enzo sauce, and eat a sandwich with extra enzo sauce. Deal. I'll do the same.* *only contractually obliged to perform the "take to the internet" portion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAud Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I know it's a message board, and chattering and spit balling ideas are what get done around here, but the idea of anyone other than Eichel as the team's next captain is ludacrisp. It's over-thinking the matter, and being too cute by more than half. I'm not even 100% convinced it will work. Point of the matter is: It has to be him, and now. For good or for ill, it's gotta be him. This is his team. And I think it's evident that he wants it. Is that like an apple crisp but with some other crazy fruit used instead? Like "Mango crisp and kiwi crisp are both forms of ludacrisp". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Either way first we have to wait for the extension to be signed before they name him captain I'd imagine. Otherwise it would give his agent additional leverage lol. Sounds like they're on track to extending though ☺ http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/eichel-won-t-make-mcdavid-money-but-what-will-a-long-term-extension-cost-sabres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I know it's a message board, and chattering and spit balling ideas are what get done around here, but the idea of anyone other than Eichel as the team's next captain is ludacrisp. It's over-thinking the matter, and being too cute by more than half. I'm not even 100% convinced it will work. Point of the matter is: It has to be him, and now. For good or for ill, it's gotta be him. This is his team. And I think it's evident that he wants it. That's just it. It's a matter of principle as much as anything. What are we if Eichel isn't the captain? SGMs 2.0? The Sabres identity as a team flows through Eichel and he needs to be the captain. That's all there is to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I know it's a message board, and chattering and spit balling ideas are what get done around here, but the idea of anyone other than Eichel as the team's next captain is ludacrisp. It's over-thinking the matter, and being too cute by more than half. I'm not even 100% convinced it will work. Point of the matter is: It has to be him, and now. For good or for ill, it's gotta be him. This is his team. And I think it's evident that he wants it. Respectfully disagree. Key word team. This is a team. EICHEL is not the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I want to see Jack finish a season without regretting quitting on it before naming him captain of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-90 W Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I want to see Jack finish a season without regretting quitting on it before naming him captain of anything. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LGR4GM Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 I want to see Jack finish a season without regretting quitting on it before naming him captain of anything.See I view his rebellion as being a leader. Leaders shouldn't follow a system that clearly isn't working it. What Bylsma was doing was garbage. How Jack rebelled was immature, but the act of doing it was not. I think we need to recognize that if Jack is named captain, he'll need to grow into it. I believe that growing into it means Jack maturing. Others can help him on that path but he's the guy to walk it. SGM?Sex, guns, and mackerel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Agreed. Even more so when reading the bolded in Gandalf's voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Lol see that's proper YouTube use right there. Edited July 13, 2017 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 I think you give it to the guy who you want the team to look up to.... giving the C to somebody can change the way they play, their mannerisms, how much they lead. That said, give it Eichel now and I think we'll see some positive results in his consistency, play away from the puck, interviews, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 I think you give it to the guy who you want the team to look up to.... giving the C to somebody can change the way they play, their mannerisms, how much they lead. That said, give it Eichel now and I think we'll see some positive results in his consistency, play away from the puck, interviews, etc... That's what I'm thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) That's what I'm thinking. ...and ROR is hard enough on himself without shouldering the added responsibility of Captain... he might need professional mental help if he has a bad game. Edited July 13, 2017 by pi2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 ...and ROR is hard enough on himself without shouldering the added responsibility of Captain... he might need professional mental help if he has a bad game. I want to stress that this is through seven different grapevines, and is very vague, and should be taken as such - with the smallest grain of salt in the world. But I've heard through seven grapevines that someone who knows ROR said to someone to someone etc. that our perception of his obsessive drive to better himself to the point where it's too far is true, using the words "like, he's messed up" to describe it. We love you just the way you are, ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 ROR is amazing and I'd give him a hug if I could. Glad he has the drive but mental health is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 I want to stress that this is through seven different grapevines, and is very vague, and should be taken as such - with the smallest grain of salt in the world. But I've heard through seven grapevines that someone who knows ROR said to someone to someone etc. that our perception of his obsessive drive to better himself to the point where it's too far is true, using the words "like, he's messed up" to describe it. We love you just the way you are, ROR. Damn. Maybe his father's serial adoption of multiple foster sons took a toll on ol' Snook's self-esteem. (That might be the worst thing I've ever thought, let alone typed here. It is intended as a joke - a rough one in the vein of Louis CK.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 That's what I'm thinking. I've been on the fence. Leaning towards ROR simply because I feel he has the room to grow into the role. I could also see it as a plus for Jack. I could also see ROR at C bring good for Jack as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Again, I don't want anyone coming to conclusions about the state of ROR's mental health, for his own personal privacy and to avoid the libel stuff yaddah yaddah. Not saying anyone has done that or said anything out of line here. I probably just shouldn't have said anything at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Again, I don't want anyone coming to conclusions about the state of ROR's mental health, for his own personal privacy and to avoid the libel stuff yaddah yaddah. Not saying anyone has done that or said anything out of line here. I probably just shouldn't have said anything at all. ROR is fine. Everyone has baggage. We overcome it by acknowledging it. We move on. We win Cups. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 ROR is fine. Everyone has baggage. We overcome it by acknowledging it. We move on. We win Cups. Right?All the Cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogre Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 All the Cups. Every single friggin one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 Again, I don't want anyone coming to conclusions about the state of ROR's mental health, for his own personal privacy and to avoid the libel stuff yaddah yaddah. Not saying anyone has done that or said anything out of line here. I probably just shouldn't have said anything at all. It's interesting to hear that he's obsessive about improving himself, but I'm not concerned about his mental stability..... maybe if he becomes Caption tho, haha. I'm going to share some of my personal experience.... I too had a similar mental state when I played competitively... it certainly had it's benefits but looking back I feel like I alienated some teammates because I was overly focused on my own play and less about how others were handling things... especially as a returning player in my junior/senior years. Sleepless nights thinking about what I did wrong on the ice, visualizing how to improve things in my head pretty much all day long, blaming myself for losses to the nth degree. My parents taught me that anything is possible if you just worked hard enough at it, so I felt like I could always be better if I just worked more, spent more and more time on it to the point of it becoming an obsession. Shouldering the blame for a loss because I didn't work hard enough at something that might have resulted in a difference making goal or preventing a goal. Then spend days on end obsessing about how to fix it. I'm sure a lot of players are that way to a degree. When it's your job and you're at the rink every single day for seasons on end, it's pretty much all you think about all the time and it defines who you are.., it's what you do, what you're there for... your sense of self worth revolves around it entirely so you better work at it as hard as you can, or quit the game and do something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Posted July 13, 2017 Report Share Posted July 13, 2017 It's interesting to hear that he's obsessive about improving himself, but I'm not concerned about his mental stability..... maybe if he becomes Caption tho, haha. I'm going to share some of my personal experience.... I too had a similar mental state when I played competitively... it certainly had it's benefits but looking back I feel like I alienated some teammates because I was overly focused on my own play and less about how others were handling things... especially as a returning player in my junior/senior years. Sleepless nights thinking about what I did wrong on the ice, visualizing how to improve things in my head pretty much all day long, blaming myself for losses to the nth degree. My parents taught me that anything is possible if you just worked hard enough at it, so I felt like I could always be better if I just worked more, spent more and more time on it to the point of it becoming an obsession. Shouldering the blame for a loss because I didn't work hard enough at something that might have resulted in a difference making goal or preventing a goal. Then spend days on end obsessing about how to fix it. I'm sure a lot of players are that way to a degree. When it's your job and you're at the rink every single day for seasons on end, it's pretty much all you think about all the time and it defines who you are.., it's what you do, what you're there for... your sense of self worth revolves around it entirely so you better work at it as hard as you can, or quit the game and do something else. I just shuddered at the thought of you recording a negative +/- one game... :P I kid, of course. Thanks for sharing this experience and others. You and others often make me wish I had played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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