Sabre fan Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just looking at this article about the NHL draft process this year and how it would have changed virtually everything about the previous drafts if the new system would have been used. If thing shad gone the previous years as they did Saturdau night, here is how things would have gone... 2016Calgary Flames: Auston Matthews Ottawa Senators: Patrik Laine Buffalo Sabres: Pierre-Luc Dubois Toronto Maple Leafs: Jesse Puljujarvi Edmonton Oilers: Olli Juolevi Vancouver Canucks: Matthew Tkachuk Columbus Blue Jackets: Clayton Keller Winnipeg Jets: Alexander Nylander Arizona Coyotes: Mikhail Sergachev Montreal Canadiens: Tyson Jost 2015Carolina Hurricanes: Connor McDavid Dallas Stars: Jack Eichel Columbus Blue Jackets: Dylan Strome Buffalo Sabres: Mitch Marner Arizona Coyotes: Noah Hanifin Edmonton Oilers: Pavel Zacha Toronto Maple Leafs: Ivan Provorov New Jersey Devils: Zach Werenski Philadelphia Flyers: Timo Meier San Jose Sharks: Mikko Rantanen 2014New York Islanders: Aaron Ekblad Nashville Predators: Sam Reinhart Toronto Maple Leafs: Leon Draisaitl Buffalo Sabres: Sam Bennett Florida Panthers: Michael Dal Colle Edmonton Oilers: Jake Virtanen Calgary Flames: Haydn Fleury Vancouver Canucks: William Nylander Carolina Hurricanes: Nikolaj Ehlers Winnipeg Jets: Nick Ritchie 2013Carolina Hurricanes: Nathan MacKinnon Arizona Coyotes: Aleksander Barkov Buffalo Sabres: Jonathan Drouin Florida Panthers: Seth Jones Colorado Avalanche: Elias Lindholm Tampa Bay Lightning: Sean Monahan Nashville Predators: Darnell Nurse Calgary Flames: Rasmus Ristolainen Edmonton Oilers: Bo Horvat New Jersey Devils: Valeri Nichushkin 2012Toronto Maple Leafs: Nail Yakupov Buffalo Sabres: Ryan Murray Carolina Hurricanes: Alex Galchenyuk Columbus Blue Jackets: Griffin Reinhart Edmonton Oilers: Morgan Rielly Montreal Canadiens: Hampus Lindholm New York Islanders: Mathew Dumba Anaheim Mighty Ducks: Derrick Pouliot Minnesota Wild: Jacob Trouba Winnipeg Jets: Slater Koekkoek The winners of this format have to be the Hurricanes who come out of it with Connor McDavid and Nathan MacKinnon. Things could have been very different. Mitch Marner in Buffalo, Patrik Laine in Ottawa, Leon Draisaitl in Toronto, and Auston Matthews in Calgary. Amazing and carzy stuff there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 I hate these "coulda-woulda-shoulda" threads. You can't go back and change it. So why concern yourself with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 I know someone that would have been very happy with the Sabres picking Marner ... :wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 just interesting...nothing more or less. so sorry, just goes to show you need to be lucky at the draft sometimes to get what you want and.or need like Edmonton and Toronto did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 I hate these "coulda-woulda-shoulda" threads. You can't go back and change it. So why concern yourself with it? Just fun to see how these past changes could have an effect future outcomes. It appears now that getting good by drafting is more of a crap shoot than at any time in league history. Unless... Toronto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just frustrating to see how these past changes could have an effect future outcomes. fify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 You should probably link to the article because I have a hard time trying to figure out exactly what kind of logic leads to those changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 You should probably link to the article because I have a hard time trying to figure out exactly what kind of logic leads to those changes.#HammyMath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 fify That is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedesessed Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 You have to factor is what Bettman wants. It's pretty obvious to me there are only some team he craves to win: 1. If you can't get fans in the stands or in the verge of bankruptcy (NJ, Pittsburgh) 2. Traditional power at one time and needs help (Edmonton a few times) 3. Toronto and you won't budge at all even after changing lottery rules the year after McDavid and Eichel because Bettman was peeved he couldn't remove Buffalo from the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 You have to factor is what Bettman wants. It's pretty obvious to me there are only some team he craves to win: 1. If you can't get fans in the stands or in the verge of bankruptcy (NJ, Pittsburgh) 2. Traditional power at one time and needs help (Edmonton a few times) 3. Toronto and you won't budge at all even after changing lottery rules the year after McDavid and Eichel because Bettman was peeved he couldn't remove Buffalo from the equation. The lottery is not rigged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedesessed Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 The lottery is not rigged. And I am the Easter Bunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 The lottery is not rigged. You said that without laughing? you're good you're good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre fan Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 should have added to the post... Keep in mind, how the draft lottery works did change after the 2014 draft, so this would have only been possible in 2015. Still, it’s interesting to see. We’re using the same draft order as every draft, because there’s no way to know how each team felt about a particular player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 (edited) Connor McDavid, the best player to come into the NHL in ten years, went to literally the worst possible location in terms of marketability and potential growth of a fan base with an added superstar. The Oilers would still be selling out games if they had never gotten him. McDavid has made maybe 1 or 2 appearances on national tv during the regular season in America. This is a disaster from a marketing standpoint. No franchises are being saved, no fans are being added. Bettman and Daly's faces said it all.Jersey, Philly, and Dallas are way down the list of teams the NHL would have loved to win the lottery. No matter which team had won the lottery, some fan would have a story made for why the league would have rigged it for them. Except Buffalo - the NHL never wants Buffalo to win the lottery. Right? An accounting firm joins league executives in a closed room with representatives from the 31 teams and supervises as 4 random numbers pop out of one of those lottery machines, and then those numbers get matched to the spreadsheet with the combinations assigned. Please detail the process by which you would rig one of those machines to get the numbers you'd like, and why a firm from London, UK would risk its reputation and the legal ramifications involved with a rigging process? Because they really love the Leafs, Devils, Oilers, Panthers, Avalanche, etc.? Edited May 1, 2017 by Randall Flagg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 should have added to the post... Keep in mind, how the draft lottery works did change after the 2014 draft, so this would have only been possible in 2015. Still, it’s interesting to see. We’re using the same draft order as every draft, because there’s no way to know how each team felt about a particular player. Post the link. You're going to bring on some trouble if you keep cut and pasting stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Connor McDavid, the best player to come into the NHL in ten years, went to literally the worst possible location inrequires s of marketability and potential growth of a fan base with an added superstar. The Oilers would still be selling out games if they had never gotten him. McDavid has made maybe 1 or 2 appearances on national tv during the regular season in America. This is a disaster from a marketing standpoint. No franchises are being saved, no fans are being added. Bettman and Daly's faces said it all. Jersey, Philly, and Dallas are way down the list of teams the NHL would have loved to win the lottery. No matter which team had won the lottery, some fan would have a story made for why the league would have rigged it for them. Except Buffalo - the NHL never wants Buffalo to win the lottery. Right? An accounting firm joins league executives in a closed room with representatives from the 31 teams and supervises as 4 random numbers pop out of one of those lottery machines, and then those numbers get matched to the spreadsheet with the combinations assigned. Please detail the process by which you would rig one of those machines to get the numbers you'd like, and why a firm from London, UK would risk its reputation and the legal ramifications involved with a rigging process? Because they really love the Leafs, Devils, Oilers, Panthers, Avalanche, etc.? You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. US markets don't matter. Rogers paid a ton of money to essentially own hockey in Canada. That tv contract requires subscribers and advertisers for Rogers to make money. With McDavid in Edmonton and oh look Matthews in TO, the league saved Rogers arse. Throw in Laine and there is enough star power to make the cable package worth it north of the border. Crosby and The Hawks drive the meter here in the States but are controlled primarily by regional cable networks like Root, MSG and CSN. McDvid went exactly where the league needed him to make the contract work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) Just looking at this article about the NHL draft process this year and how it would have changed virtually everything about the previous drafts if the new system would have been used. If thing shad gone the previous years as they did Saturdau night, here is how things would have gone... *** snip for brevity *** The winners of this format have to be the Hurricanes who come out of it with Connor McDavid and Nathan MacKinnon. Things could have been very different. Mitch Marner in Buffalo, Patrik Laine in Ottawa, Leon Draisaitl in Toronto, and Auston Matthews in Calgary. Amazing and carzy stuff there I, for one, am grateful for your work. Coulda, shoulda and woulda are most interesting in lives and life, examined and imagined. Edited May 2, 2017 by Neo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Well that is all that should be said in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. US markets don't matter. Rogers paid a ###### ton of money to essentially own hockey in Canada. That tv contract requires subscribers and advertisers for Rogers to make money. With McDavid in Edmonton and oh look Matthews in TO, the league saved Rogers arse. Throw in Laine and there is enough star power to make the cable package worth it north of the border. Crosby and The Hawks drive the meter here in the States but are controlled primarily by regional cable networks like Root, MSG and CSN. McDvid went exactly where the league needed him to make the contract work. What about the rest of it? Why does a massive UK-based firm risk its entire reputation and possibly existence on the National Hockey League? Do you realize the ramifications of the potential lawsuits if that was discovered? And then how do you get the exact correct numbers to bounce out of that thing? Does every team in the league know it's rigged, because they're all in the room? They just all keep it quiet? McDavid could have saved a franchise. Matthews could have saved the Arizona one specifically. McDavid is not the difference between that tv contract unless you provide explicit evidence. All of the evidence with the device and lottery situation in general point to no rigging at all. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and I have seen none, just hypotheticals that could have been shaped around any possible winning team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 (edited) Remember everyone, David Stern froze the Knicks' envelope so Patrick Ewing would end up in New York. Where did Bettman learn his trade? That's right, David Stern! BOOM! *quietly hopes nobody takes this seriously* Edited May 2, 2017 by TrueBlueGED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woods-racer Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 A superstar players instead of getting his pay gets a large percentage of the team that can't afford to pay him, he intern continues to play to support his now owned franchise. When he can no longer play and the franchise faltering on bankruptcy and threatening relocation, they win the lottery for the greatest generation player in a year with no hockey. Pure luck, it's just all pure luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 A superstar players instead of getting his pay gets a large percentage of the team that can't afford to pay him, he intern continues to play to support his now owned franchise. When he can no longer play and the franchise faltering on bankruptcy and threatening relocation, they win the lottery for the greatest generation player in a year with no hockey. Pure luck, it's just all pure luck. Nailed it. Glad we're on the same page! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I hate these "coulda-woulda-shoulda" threads. You can't go back and change it. So why concern yourself with it? This is Buffalo - how many countless times was Norwood's infamous "Wide Right" kick dissected and analyzed and hypothesized? What if... what if.... what if....?????? Heck, even one radio station played a silly fantasy audio track where Norwood made the kick, and the Bills won the Superbowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 This is Buffalo - how many countless times was Norwood's infamous "Wide Right" kick dissected and analyzed and hypothesized? What if... what if.... what if....?????? Heck, even one radio station played a silly fantasy audio track where Norwood made the kick, and the Bills won the Superbowl. What if Buffalo beat the Coyotes in OT and ended up with Dylan Strome instead of Jack Eichel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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