Randall Flagg Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Franson has been a lot worse than McCabe. McCabe has been a pleasant surprise this season. Franson has been burned on probably half of the goals scored against us this season. No. Just, no. Did you watch the Wild game? Two of those goals were directly because of his poor positioning and inability to fix it with slow skating. Franson is what he is, and is getting the fewest minutes of any defenseman because of it. I accept that and am not disappointed by him because I know what he is.But he is clearly our worst defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Franson has been a lot worse than McCabe. McCabe has been a pleasant surprise this season. Franson has been burned on probably half of the goals scored against us this season. Did you watch the Wild game? Two of those goals were directly because of his poor positioning and inability to fix it with slow skating. Franson is what he is, and is getting the fewest minutes of any defenseman because of it. I accept that and am not disappointed by him because I know what he is. But he is clearly our worst defenseman. I've also seen him cover for some pretty glaring mistakes by McCabe, turning what could have been a disaster into completely mundane play, but, ya know, those plays don't make the headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I've also seen him cover for some pretty glaring mistakes by McCabe, turning what could have been a disaster into completely mundane play, but, ya know, those plays don't make the headlines. I've seen McCabe do that to Franson too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I've seen McCabe do that to Franson too. Big time. Franson's not the worst 3rd pairing D in the league, but he's probably pretty close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Franson is what he is. A fairly reliable defender in his own zone. Not flashy and not a very good skater, but there is a reason why he is in the lineup and getting steady time on the 3rd pairing. I don't have to tell you guys the reason, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Big time. Franson's not the worst 3rd pairing D in the league, but he's probably pretty close. And what more do you expect? We're one of the worst teams in the league, so naturally our bottom pair would probably have one of the worst defensemen. I don't even think he's been that bad, and I'm fine with him there for the time being, though I wish we had a guy that could keep him on the bench. But I don't think it's close between him and McCabe. Not even a little bit. Also, how much did McCabe play with Franson yesterday anyway? I missed half the game, but McCabe's partner has been Bogosian mostly. I've seen Kulikov with Franson most often. I'm even revising my opinion that he's been one of the worst third pairing D - there are some terrible players getting that time on legitimate contenders. He's probably an average third pairing defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Big time. Franson's not the worst 3rd pairing D in the league, but he's probably pretty close. This is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 This is ridiculous.This is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 This is silly. I bet if he just looked prettier when he skates backwards ya'll would have a different opinion of him (cuz I'll admit, it's pretty ugly). But he still gets to where he's going, clears the front of the net better than any other D on the team. He's decent in the O zone. And once those bombs on the PP stop hitting the post and going in, I'm guessing all this noise will get a lot quieter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I bet if he just looked prettier when he skates backwards ya'll would have a different opinion of him (cuz I'll admit, it's pretty ugly). But he still gets to where he's going, clears the front of the net better than any other D on the team. He's decent in the O zone. And once those bombs on the PP stop hitting the post and going in, I'm guessing all this noise will get a lot quieter.Perhaps, because if he was skating backwards better we only lose 2-0 to the wild :P I'm stunned by how shallow you think this board is sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksndmonster Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I bet if he just looked prettier when he skates backwards ya'll would have a different opinion of him (cuz I'll admit, it's pretty ugly). But he still gets to where he's going, clears the front of the net better than any other D on the team. He's decent in the O zone. And once those bombs on the PP stop hitting the post and going in, I'm guessing all this noise will get a lot quieter.I bet if he was good at hockey I would have a different opinion of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabel79 Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Missing this one, but kinda feel like they'll play like they finished their last game less then a day ago then flew to Winnipeg. I'll happily be wrong, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Don't embarrass yourselves boys. GO SABRES ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 This game is important. Six losses in October would be fugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Perhaps, because if he was skating backwards better we only lose 2-0 to the wild :P I'm stunned by how shallow you think this board is sometimes. I've been here longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) I feel like I just read a discussion about how Jake McCabe isn't as good as Franson Edited October 30, 2016 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I feel like I just read a discussion about how Jake McCabe isn't as good as FransonRight now he isn't. Doesn't mean he doesn't have more skill, though, and will become better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Right now he isn't. Doesn't mean he doesn't have more skill, though, and will become better. I'm definitely going to watch these two - I hadn't much thought about comparing them closely, but this opinion goes clearly against what I thought I was seeing. Without paying close attention, I've seen McCabe make more high level defensive plays than Franson (one odd man rush really sticks out, he broke something up and then also saved a goal a split second later) and be responsible for fewer goals against, but again that could be wrong. I could very well be seeing it that way because of my assumption to start the season that McCabe is better. We shall see. (And I was one of the guys that was heavily against all of the McCabe optimism in the offseason - he's been outperforming my expectations to this point) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Jake McCabe will be fine. Franson is past his best before date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Jake McCabe will be fine. Franson is past his best before date.I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I don't think Jake McCabe is worse than Franson now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 The real question is, can Franson get worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sauve28 Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 I was admiring how much Jake McCabe had improved his skating The real question is, can Franson get worse? We are all getting worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) The lines Tyler Myers out for Jets Edited October 30, 2016 by BRAWNDO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Flagg Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 With no Myers or Trouba, we should be able to take advantage of their bottom 3 defensemen. It's an ugly group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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