That Aud Smell Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 The December incident is guy meets girl, takes her out for dinner and back home, she somehow gets injured in the process, perhaps seriously. The lack of charges mitigates in Kanes favour, but how badly was she hurt, and how did it happen? Agree with most of what you posted. I will say that the December incident appears more to be: Guy meets girl at a bar (sounds like it was their first time meeting, maybe), buys her drinks, invites her to a party at his place, takes here there in his car (hired driver), there is no party at his place, and she now claims that once they were there he forcibly touched her in ways that injured her. Yuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Wasn't there something to the effect that the December alleged incident occurred in his car? And the cops searched his car, didn't find anything and so dropped it? That is a highly vague recollection though -- I could be completely out to lunch. IDK but I read some of it, googled a bit, and got mad. She's brave. She could just walk away and go about her life anonymously. Instead she's taking him on, probably because it was that ###### bad and she doesn't want any more victims. I hope Terry and Kim Pegula read it themselves and think hard about what message it sends when they continue to employ and promote a man who behaves this way. Well, you're assuming away the whole "guilty or innocent" question there, innit? Bottom line is that we have no idea how he behaved or whether she is being truthful. It's certainly possible that he forced himself on her. It's also certainly possible that she is shaking him down or is PO'd at being told to get lost. Or a number of other scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 I am avoiding passing judgment on Kanes guilt or his suitability to the team until the facts are presented in a court of law. I will allow that I have long ago decided I want him nowhere near my daughters. So you've merely judged him guilty-ish? Or perhaps guilty enough? :p I'm just joking. I know children and a hockey team aren't exactly equivalent :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcsaberks Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 I am avoiding passing judgment on Kanes guilt or his suitability to the team until the facts are presented in a court of law. I will allow that I have long ago decided I want him nowhere near my daughters. With that out of the way I am far more troubled with the allegations presented in the civil suit than the current legal court case. On the surface I find it pretty easy to project the Bottoms Up incident as douchey hockey player has douchey interaction with douchey bar patrons, where there may have been a history. Nobody hurt. The December incident is guy meets girl, takes her out for dinner and back home, she somehow gets injured in the process, perhaps seriously. The lack of charges mitigates in Kanes favour, but how badly was she hurt, and how did it happen? If the facts are enough to decide "keep him away from my girls", how are they not also enough to say "get him off my beloved hockey team"? It's not like he's a druggie, or lazy, or whatever and you just don't want the girls hanging around a loser. This is completely unacceptable behavior and as a society/community we should take a stand, court/civil rights kept separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Some court filings in the Kane civil case. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASeFiledDocsDetail?county_code=FRcG9EsWgQ5iEP%2FJBNvqUg%3D%3D&txtIndexNo=T8hS2qFFZDBSDKd7sGr1BA%3D%3D&showMenu=no&isPreRji=N That link won't open for me, is it anything more than what's written in the Globe & Mail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) If the facts are enough to decide "keep him away from my girls", how are they not also enough to say "get him off my beloved hockey team"? It's not like he's a druggie, or lazy, or whatever and you just don't want the girls hanging around a loser. This is completely unacceptable behavior and as a society/community we should take a stand, court/civil rights kept separate. Because I have seen enough evidence to make me concerned that he is not a nice person, and that he lives a lifestyle that doesn't reflect my values. Like most dads, I want my daughters to hang out with nice people who share the values I've tried to give them. I have not seen enough evidence that he is a negative influence on my hockey team, in fact the evidence seems to be the opposite. I can work with a-holes as long as they contribute to the goals of the organization. He's not the first a-hole to play for the Sabres and he likely won't be the last. As more facts come out about Kane and it is proven he is worse than just another ahole, my views may change. Edited August 2, 2016 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 If the facts are enough to decide "keep him away from my girls", how are they not also enough to say "get him off my beloved hockey team"? The man is a hockey player. He (hopefully) provides me entertainment a few nights a week for a few months out of the year. If I don't find him worthy of dating my daughters (granddaughters, I didn't have daughters, I had sons, but that's not the point) I should no longer want him to entertain me? What the ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 That link won't open for me, is it anything more than what's written in the Globe & Mail? Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Thanks Aud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Bottom line is that we have no idea how he behaved or whether she is being truthful. It's certainly possible that he forced himself on her. It's also certainly possible that she is shaking him down or is PO'd at being told to get lost. Or a number of other scenarios. FWIW, I'm just not inclined to give that guy the benefit of the doubt anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Its an interesting view of personalities, how selectively we (and I do mean the royal we. We all engage in it) pick and choose who we are willing to pass or not pass judgement upon until legal proceedings have run their course. Im thinking mostly of the compare/contrast of the people we judge in the politics thread vs the people we judge in threads like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Its an interesting view of personalities, how selectively we (and I do mean the royal we. We all engage in it) pick and choose who we are willing to pass or not pass judgement upon until legal proceedings have run their course. Im thinking mostly of the compare/contrast of the people we judge in the politics thread vs the people we judge in threads like this one. Kane is not trump. He's sports entertainment, not a presidential candidate. Please save politics for the political thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Kane is not trump. He's sports entertainment, not a presidential candidate. Please save politics for the political thread. You're awful sensitive of late. It wasnt a political comment. It was an observation of all of our hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 You're awful sensitive of late. It wasnt a political comment. It was an observation of all of our hypocrisy. Fair enough. You're right, I am lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blugold43 Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 You're awful sensitive of late. It wasnt a political comment. It was an observation of all of our hypocrisy. you know Lemmy hated Trump, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 you know Lemmy hated Trump, right? \m/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 I never engage in the politics thread. So I'm all good with my judgment of Evander. ;p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 \m/ I hit 50 this month. What the hell does that symbol mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 I hit 50 this month. What the hell does that symbol mean? And Im turning 49 in a couple months. Old school metal hold up the pinkie finger and 1st finger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 I hit 50 this month. What the hell does that symbol mean? I think it's supposed to be a fist with the index and pinky raised? like so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Bazinga! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3putt Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 I learned something today. It is now complete :worthy: Or rather \m/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 you know Lemmy hated Trump, right? I'll believe that with no verification whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 I think it's supposed to be a fist with the index and pinky raised? like so... Auston Matthews at 28? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Its an interesting view of personalities, how selectively we (and I do mean the royal we. We all engage in it) pick and choose who we are willing to pass or not pass judgement upon until legal proceedings have run their course. Im thinking mostly of the compare/contrast of the people we judge in the politics thread vs the people we judge in threads like this one. I never engage in the politics thread. So I'm all good with my judgment of Evander. ;p I'd say the scrutiny we give a leader of country - though based on different criteria - is and should be closer to that we give our children's peers than our entertainment figures. Weave's observation is correct however, it is interesting where we draw our lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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