woods-racer Posted December 19, 2015 Report Share Posted December 19, 2015 Unless the person drowning puppies did so because they were retired and needed the dog food for themself because they had Adelphia stock in their 401k. If you had a fund in your 401(k) that bought Adelphia stock and you lost enough money to have to eat dog food, you're 401(k) investment company did a greater disservice to you than Adelphia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Looks like the court said no Former #Sabres owner & cable exec John Rigas will remain in federal prison for now. His atty tells me a judge denied request for bail. @wgrz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 (edited) Looks like the court said no Former #Sabres owner & cable exec John Rigas will remain in federal prison for now. His atty tells me a judge denied request for bail. @wgrz Judge apparently agreed with the government that a "strict legal case" for bail was not met. Cold. Edited December 23, 2015 by pASabreFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Apparently he still has a shot at getting a release through a compassionate release 'program' of some kind. Something that doesn't require a Judge's approval (?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 If you haven't heard, he got released yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 And they held a welcome home party at McDonald's in Coudersport PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm fairly neutral on the whole thing. It all seems like a distant memory. I do tend to err on the side of agreeing that small mercies should be granted when possible. Of course, if this guy didn't have money, he likely would be dying in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I'm fairly neutral on the whole thing. It all seems like a distant memory. I do tend to err on the side of agreeing that small mercies should be granted when possible. Of course, if this guy didn't have money, he likely would be dying in prison. Well if he didn't have money, he wouldn't have gone to prison, innit? I think I am missing your point about the connection between his money and release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well if he didn't have money, he wouldn't have gone to prison, innit? I think I am missing your point about the connection between his money and release. Just that, without money to pay for effective counsel, it's far less likely that he would have been granted this release. Which is to say, it'd be a shame if this sort of mercy were reserved for the wealthy. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Maybe indigent terminally ill prisoners are released with surprising frequency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Just that, without money to pay for effective counsel, it's far less likely that he would have been granted this release. Which is to say, it'd be a shame if this sort of mercy were reserved for the wealthy. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Maybe indigent terminally ill prisoners are released with surprising frequency. I am talking out my ass, but maybe it's just a form you fill out? *ducks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I am talking out my ass Isn't that sort of redundant to state, by now? /ducks lower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I am talking out my ass, but maybe it's just a form you fill out? *ducks I seem to recall that in Rigas' case it was a negotiated point of the guilty plea. I'd expect top flight legal representation was a big factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elcrusho Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I have no comment...................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Isn't that sort of redundant to state, by now? /ducks lower Little bit lower. There it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Eww. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Back to the topic... if someone is in prison and indigent and dying, wouldn't there have to be free legal representation, like some people get a public defender? How complicated could it have been to decide to release Rigas? Did they really need Johnnie Cochran? Hmmm... maybe. One for the political thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Little bit lower. There it is... Nuh-uh. No way I'm massaging your corns. Eww. I know it. Back to the topic... if someone is in prison and indigent and dying, wouldn't there have to be free legal representation, like some people get a public defender? You mean, like pro bono representation? Maybe. Maybe not. How complicated could it have been to decide to release Rigas? I'm not exactly sure. I do know that his initial petition was denied just before Christmas 2015. That fact was widely reported. Here's what local guru Terry Connors said to WBEN after that petition was denied: Connor says from here, the judge may hold a briefing or even a hearing on the merits for both the legal reasons and the compassionate release, examining the medical records and affidavits submitted to determine if he's met his burden to fulfil the criteria for a release. "It looks to me, though, because the bail was denied," Connors said, "that the judge does not feel that the claims for legal challenges are substantial. Therefore that would leave him with primarily his request for compassionate release which also has specific criteria." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 From the news article: Thompson spokesman Nick Ruffner said the congressman’s office helped the family with “navigating the bureaucratic process.” “The congressman thanks the professionals at the Bureau of Prisons and Department of Justice for their cooperation in the process,” Ruffner said. Philadelphia lawyer Lawrence G. McMichael said he worked feverishly all weekend with Bureau of Prisons officials and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Manhattan to facilitate his client’s release. McMichael has represented Rigas and his son Tim, who remains incarcerated at Canaan in northeast Pennsylvania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well, there you go. Ya gotta be connected to get these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well, there you go. Ya gotta be connected to get these things. He's got a month to live anyway right? May as well not have the State pay for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 He's got a month to live anyway right? May as well not have the State pay for it? I think the question is, why isn't this the policy for all non-violent criminals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I think the question is, why isn't this the policy for all non-violent criminals? And it's a good question, to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) I think the question is, why isn't this the policy for all non-violent criminals? And it's a good question, to boot. In a lot of cases, maybe even the overwhelming majority, the state would end up paying for the incarcerated person's last days, anyway. Edited February 23, 2016 by Eleven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I think the question is, why isn't this the policy for all non-violent criminals?Do we know that it isn't? I know it's anecdotal, but I know a story in my area of a nonviolent drug offender who was released in his final days to spend time with his family, and he wasn't well connected, wealthy family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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