Eleven Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Assuming that ROR really was driving, are his hands really clean here? Is there nothing to be said for fessing up and taking his medicine, given his "celebrity" status? Or his status as a "human being"? Also, no security cameras on the premises? I'm definitely not saying his hands are clean. But let's look at his options: 1. Plead to some really minor charge, because he knows they can't convict him. That leaves him in the exact same position he's in, where people think he gets off scot free because he's famous and/or wealthy. 2. Confess. This is just unrealistic. No one does that, and he shouldn't be held to some higher standard because he's an athlete, just like he shouldn't be held to a lower one. 3. Go to trial knowing it's an easy win. No-brainer for me there. I don't know if there are security cameras or not, but if there are, they apparently weren't pointed in the right spot or were not functioning properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 So you think he should "confess" because he owes you and society a debt because he's mildly famous? I wouldn't phrase it that way, but sure. He should take responsibility knowing that it would send the right message to all the kids out there who (stupidly) admire him. I mean, it's not like his life is at stake. Having said that, I have no idea the likelihood of his doing time/being suspended by the NHL if he had been convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 He should take responsibility knowing that it would send the right message to all the kids out there who (stupidly) admire him. Well, that's quite something innit? ROR should have taken actions against his personal self-interest in order to honour a dynamic that is stupid (and, to the extent it does exist, should not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Well, that's quite something innit? ROR should have taken actions against his personal self-interest in order to honour a dynamic that is stupid (and, to the extent it does exist, should not). I think you, not I, have committed some kind of logical fallacy. The kids still admire him, whether they are right or wrong to do so. What's their takeaway here? Something something Pangloss out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 I think you, not I, have committed some kind of logical fallacy. The kids still admire him, whether they are right or wrong to do so. What's their takeaway here? Something something Pangloss out. I didn't say you were being illogical. I said you were demanding that ROR act so as to uphold and perpetuate a paradigm that you think is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Why do we think athletes are supposed to be role models for kids? Do we think the same of the musicians they listen to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Why do we think athletes are supposed to be role models for kids? Do we think the same of the musicians they listen to? I don't think they are supposed to be role models. But I think the reality is that they often are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Why do we think athletes are supposed to be role models for kids? Do we think the same of the musicians they listen to? Because it's a game, a game that kids play, so they naturally look up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas23 Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 Why do we think athletes are supposed to be role models for kids? Do we think the same of the musicians they listen to? Truly thought provoking questions. But I think it's generally acknowledged that both musicians and athlete serve as role models to teenagers. More often than not these are usually negative influences, but nevertheless it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 I don't think they are supposed to be role models. But I think the reality is that they often are. Thank you. Got it, Smell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 You disappoint me, PA. Shouldn't ROR defy that "stupid" convention? That could serve a greater good -- getting those kids oriented to admiring true heroes. Fight the Power, ROR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 If your child's role model is a professional athlete you failed as a parent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 If your child's role model is a professional athlete you failed as a parent. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Yeah, that's realistic. Never let your kids look up to anyone who might make a bad choice in their life. "Here son, this ball of lint is your hero now. It's safe and will prevent me from having to explain difficult concepts like the fallibility of idols". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Why? Because athletes aren't role models, they're entertainers. Your child doesn't know them, they are complete strangers, and if a professional athletes actions can influence your child's behavior/actions than yeah, you've failed as a parent. Take responsibility and parent your own kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Because athletes aren't role models, they're entertainers. Your child doesn't know them, they are complete strangers, and if a professional athletes actions can influence your child's behavior/actions than yeah, you've failed as a parent. Take responsibility and parent your own kids. So, MLK, bad role model then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 What team did he play for? So, MLK, bad role model then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Hank's point is stated a bit strongly, but the essence of it seems right to me. Moreover, I'll venture to say that well raised kids may be disappointed to learn that their favourite sports figures have made bad choices, but such kids won't have their behaviour influenced thereby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Because athletes aren't role models, they're entertainers. Your child doesn't know them, they are complete strangers, and if a professional athletes actions can influence your child's behavior/actions than yeah, you've failed as a parent. Take responsibility and parent your own kids. What team did he play for? What's the difference other than that they don't know them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 What's the difference other than that they don't know them? If you disagree with my statement and would like to discuss it I'd be happy to, but MLK is not relevant to the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 If you disagree with my statement and would like to discuss it I'd be happy to, but MLK is not relevant to the discussion. I do disagree with your statement, and I've outlined why. What is the distinguishing characteristic between role models in history and role models in sports other than that your kid does not personally know them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 I do disagree with your statement, and I've outlined why. What is the distinguishing characteristic between role models in history and role models in sports other than that your kid does not personally know them? I do disagree with your statement, and I've outlined why. What is the distinguishing characteristic between role models in history and role models in sports other than that your kid does not personally know them? Now you're just being obtuse, good day sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildCard Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) Now you're just being obtuse, good day sir. Honestly I'm not. If that's the crux of your argument it's flawed IMO Anyone else care to answer that one? Edited July 12, 2016 by WildCard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Because athletes aren't role models, they're entertainers. Your child doesn't know them, they are complete strangers, and if a professional athletes actions can influence your child's behavior/actions than yeah, you've failed as a parent. Take responsibility and parent your own kids. So who do your kids idolize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doohickie Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 So who do your kids idolize? My kids were weird. The idolized Bach, Beethoven and that ilk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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