Andrew Amerk Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Miller = Enroth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Miller = Enroth? At skee ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Blues beat writer: at the beginning and the 6 minute mark......Ryan Miller http://www.101sports.com/podcasts/jeremy-rutherford-addresses-the-influx-of-ryan-miller-rumors-around-town-01-27-2014/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 At skee ball. Eh...I was thinking more like bocce ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsixspd Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fleury got a shut out last night - that's Fleury's 4th shut out just this season. I like to point out periodically that Miller doesn't have any shutouts yet this season. Nor any last season. In fact, if his shutout drought continues, in March it will be a full two calendar years since Miller has earned one. Of course, that's not Miller's fault. It never is. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Fleury got a shut out last night - that's Fleury's 4th shut out just this season. I like to point out periodically that Miller doesn't have any shutouts yet this season. Nor any last season. In fact, if his shutout drought continues, in March it will be a full two calendar years since Miller has earned one. Of course, that's not Miller's fault. It never is. :) You have witnessed the D or lack thereof that has been in front of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LastPommerFan Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 The 5v5 numbers on that page don't make any sense. They have miller at .925 for 5v5, but he's .926 overall, which would mean he would have to have a BETTER save % on the pk than even strength. We are missing something about those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Miller + Environment = Enroth? (see how many get this joke :P) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Eh...I was thinking more like bocce ball. :clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunomatic Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Miller + Environment = Enroth? (see how many get this joke :P) Miller ( + environment - environment ) = Enroth ( + environment - environment ) Miller = Enroth Thats all I got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'm just looking for a substantial case to be put on the table. I never start these threads, I never bring them to the top. Nor do I even mention Miller in GDT's. Hell, I've gotten deragatory private messages from people for simply responding to Miller threads even though I wasn't even the one to start it. Yet for some reason people go into attack mode against me whenever the topic comes up. For a forum that claims to be so analytical, precise and logical, emotion seems to throw all that out the window whenever I ask for specifics and facts. I gave you the most important fact at all when it comes to sports -- wins -- and you completely blew it off. The broader point is that there is a reason that the team wins more with Miller than it does with Enroth. It's the same reason that Miller gets (slightly) better goal support than Enroth does, and it's the same reason that 3 NHL coaches have chosen Miller as the #1 and Enroth as #2 (heh). It's not just about save %. The 5v5 numbers on that page don't make any sense. They have miller at .925 for 5v5, but he's .926 overall, which would mean he would have to have a BETTER save % on the pk than even strength. We are missing something about those numbers. Maybe it's the save % on the PP -- presumably that will be better than a goalie's save % during 5x5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Rhea Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 You have witnessed the D or lack thereof that has been in front of him? Can this same excuse be used for Enroth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Can this same excuse be used for Enroth? Just out of curiosity, did you think Frank Reich was better than Jim Kelly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Just out of curiosity, did you think Frank Reich was better than Jim Kelly? Frank was screwed, if he would have been given more starts to show he can be the #1 the Bills wouldn't be where they are today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 1. No one thinks Enroth is better than Miller 2. Miller has been a consistently good to occasionally very good (Olympics cough cough) goalie over the years. 3. He gets fired up in Olympic years. It floats his boat. There is nothing else to see here. Never has been. For the love of God, make it stop. Shut up, Sam. Shut up!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 1. No one thinks Enroth is better than Miller 2. Miller has been a consistently good to occasionally very good (Olympics cough cough) goalie over the years. 3. He gets fired up in Olympic years. It floats his boat. There is nothing else to see here. Never has been. For the love of God, make it stop. Shut up, Sam. Shut up!!!!!!!! You just made Bocce Ball's list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 1. No one thinks Enroth is better than Miller 2. Miller has been a consistently good to occasionally very good (Olympics cough cough) goalie over the years. 3. He gets fired up in Olympic years. It floats his boat. There is nothing else to see here. Never has been. For the love of God, make it stop. Shut up, Sam. Shut up!!!!!!!! Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Can this same excuse be used for Enroth? It's the same players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I'm just looking for a substantial case to be put on the table. I never start these threads, I never bring them to the top. Nor do I even mention Miller in GDT's. Hell, I've gotten deragatory private messages from people for simply responding to Miller threads even though I wasn't even the one to start it. Yet for some reason people go into attack mode against me whenever the topic comes up. For a forum that claims to be so analytical, precise and logical, emotion seems to throw all that out the window whenever I ask for specifics and facts. Because there have been countless posts about how Millers SV% has been stable for years. His 5v5 never dips low. His rebound control is excellent. Every coach, scout, commentator says he is good. We use all those arguments but still are told by you and others repeatedly we are wrong and need to make a real argument. Ryan Miller has not had a sv% below .915 since 2008. He has been a 65+ game gt during that time. He is consistent, and that is was makes him better than Enroth. Miller is a machine when it comes to his numbers and his games. Enroth is inconsistent. I like Enroth and he will be the starter here soon but Ryan Miller is still better than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Miller's trade value starts at a 1st and a prospect. Anything less is a disappointment. Anyone disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Miller's trade value starts at a 1st and a prospect. Anything less is a disappointment. Anyone disagree? I think it's going to come down to how much a team NEEDS a rental goalie. I think a 1st and a prospect is a reasonable return from a desperate team. But one that maybe isn't so desperate? A 2nd and a prospect is more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Miller's trade value starts at a 1st and a prospect. Anything less is a disappointment. Anyone disagree? I'm hoping for a similar return to the Pominville trade. A young goalie, a good forward propect and a mid to late first round pick (obviously depends on where other team finishes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Because there have been countless posts about how Millers SV% has been stable for years. His 5v5 never dips low. His rebound control is excellent. Every coach, scout, commentator says he is good. We use all those arguments but still are told by you and others repeatedly we are wrong and need to make a real argument. Ryan Miller has not had a sv% below .915 since 2008. He has been a 65+ game gt during that time. He is consistent, and that is was makes him better than Enroth. Miller is a machine when it comes to his numbers and his games. Enroth is inconsistent. I like Enroth and he will be the starter here soon but Ryan Miller is still better than him. Most of what you just said there, I have said the exact same thing.......... repeatedly. Just like every other poster you want to twist my words in order to protect Wonder Boy. His 5v5 stats don't fluctutate much, but as has been pointed out, they aren't that good. He consistently is average to slightly above average for three years. His atttiude sucks. He is part of the core that everybody wanted to eliminate. Read what I have to say for a change and stop twisting my words. We might actually get somewhere. For the record, over the last three years combined, Enroth has a better 5v5 save percentage. Edited January 28, 2014 by JJFIVEOH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Most of what you just said there, I have said the exact same thing.......... repeatedly. Just like every other poster you want to twist my words in order to protect Wonder Boy. His 5v5 stats don't fluctutate much, but as has been pointed out, they aren't that good. He consistently is average to slightly above average for three years. His atttiude sucks. He is part of the core that everybody wanted to eliminate. Read what I have to say for a change and stop twisting my words. We might actually get somewhere. For the record, over the last three years combined, Enroth has a better 5v5 save percentage. See I'm twisting words now. Miller is slight over average because he is always average or above. Always. Look around the league. Most gt go way up and way down. Enroth for instance this year is down. Also until Enroth plays 60 games a season we can't know how he will be. Miller has started 528 games and has a career .916 sv% Enroth has started 60games and has a career .913 sv% Ryan Miller is better and has been better than Enroth. Here lets add more to the reasons Miller has proven skill and Enroth doesn't Miller 16,078shots faced 14,722saves (12,934 more saves than Enroth) Enroth 1,958shots faced 1,788saves Edited January 28, 2014 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJFIVEOH Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 See I'm twisting words now. Miller is slight over average because he is always average or above. Always. Look around the league. Most gt go way up and way down. Enroth for instance this year is down. Also until Enroth plays 60 games a season we can't know how he will be. Miller has started 528 games and has a career .916 sv% Enroth has started 60games and has a career .913 sv% Ryan Miller is better and has been better than Enroth. Yes, you're twisting my words. And now you're spinning stats. When I prove you wrong, you just throw out more stats. Damn, only three thousandths. Somebody deserves a raise. I suppose it would be too much to ask to use Miller's first four years as a true comparison since the rookie year has more bearing on the overall save percentage. But that would make Miller look bad. You're still arguing that I think Enroth is so much better than Miller. Until you go back and read my posts, we're done here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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