TrueBlueGED Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 and still in buffalo the numbers could be Bennett 0.32ppg Reinhart 1.68ppg Draisaitl 1.33ppg You never know that kind of stuff.... depends on linemates ... good tema or bad team. system the team plays.... Bennett could put up 50 goals for buffalo next year and might would only put up 9 for calgary. It makes more sense to watch at strengths and weaknesses instead of numbers I simply disagree with this. There was an article a little while ago that compared the Canucks' recent drafting history with what a spreadsheet including only scoring totals would have produced. Spoiler alert: the stats, with zero seconds spent watching the players play, would have drafted a better roster. I'm in no way advocating abandoning traditional scouting for numbers, but rather, I'm arguing numbers should absolutely have a place (and an important one) in the analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 According to Darren Dreger, Detroit is interested in Tyler Myers. How much of a ransom would the Sabres have to give up to pry Anthony Mantha away from them or is Mantha untouchable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I simply disagree with this. There was an article a little while ago that compared the Canucks' recent drafting history with what a spreadsheet including only scoring totals would have produced. Spoiler alert: the stats, with zero seconds spent watching the players play, would have drafted a better roster. I'm in no way advocating abandoning traditional scouting for numbers, but rather, I'm arguing numbers should absolutely have a place (and an important one) in the analysis. Agreed. There are definitely other things to consider when drafting however there is a strong correlation between even strength points and goals and NHL success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 According to Darren Dreger, Detroit is interested in Tyler Myers. How much of a ransom would the Sabres have to give up to pry Anthony Mantha away from them or is Mantha untouchable? This thread is better suited for the question: http://forums.sabrespace.com/topic/22527-2014-2015-roster/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 According to Darren Dreger, Detroit is interested in Tyler Myers. How much of a ransom would the Sabres have to give up to pry Anthony Mantha away from them or is Mantha untouchable? I would love Anthony Mantha... maybe we could say Myers and #39 for Mantha and #15. Idk what it would take honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Agreed. There are definitely other things to consider when drafting however there is a strong correlation between even strength points and goals and NHL success. Sure there's a strong correlation, how did Gagner do? I bet his even strength points were extremely high, but like Ehlers, it matters more who you play with. At 17, Gagner played with Patrick Kane at 18. This year, Ehlers played with Drouin at 18. If you don't account for this, you're drafting Gagners all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brawndo Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I would love Anthony Mantha... maybe we could say Myers and #39 for Mantha and #15. Idk what it would take honestly. I would do that in a heartbeat. I was thinking it would take Myers, 39 and the Blues 2015 1st for Mantha and 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) Sure there's a strong correlation, how did Gagner do? I bet his even strength points were extremely high, but like Ehlers, it matters more who you play with. At 17, Gagner played with Patrick Kane at 18. This year, Ehlers played with Drouin at 18. If you don't account for this, you're drafting Gagners all day long. Actually 70% of Ehlers scoring came while Drouin was on the bench. However, when Rhys J looked at Ehlers’ production (with a hat tip to @MoneyPuck_), he found that “the majority of Ehlers’ even strength offence (around 70%) also came with Drouin on the bench.” As for Gagner 0.89ppg 0.26g are his even strength numbers but like I said there are obviously other things to consider, such as the fact he was only 5'11". Ehlers subsequently is not on my stats sheet but Fabbri is, 1.02ppg 0.53g which even at 5'10" indicates to me Fabbri should be better in the NHL then Gagner. Would I draft him? No, he is to small for my tastes and the league is trending bigger. I would do that in a heartbeat. I was thinking it would take Myers, 39 and the Blues 2015 1st for Mantha and 15. Probably closer than what I tossed out. Myers #31 blues 2015 for Mantha and 15? Edited June 27, 2014 by LGR4GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) Sure there's a strong correlation, how did Gagner do? I bet his even strength points were extremely high, but like Ehlers, it matters more who you play with. At 17, Gagner played with Patrick Kane at 18. This year, Ehlers played with Drouin at 18. If you don't account for this, you're drafting Gagners all day long. Now who is basing their analysis on a hunch? ;) Edited June 27, 2014 by TrueBluePhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresBillsFan Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Would people be pissed if Florida passes on Ekblad and Buffalo selects him and then trades Myers to Detroit for Mantha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Would people be pissed if Florida passes on Ekblad and Buffalo selects him and then trades Myers to Detroit for Mantha? Yes. Mantha doesn't play center. We need centers. Girgensons is maybe a solid #2 center... then we have? Lots of question marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Yes. Mantha doesn't play center. We need centers. Girgensons is maybe a solid #2 center... then we have? Lots of question marks. I'm with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Actually 70% of Ehlers scoring came while Drouin was on the bench. As for Gagner 0.89ppg 0.26g are his even strength numbers but like I said there are obviously other things to consider, such as the fact he was only 5'11". Ehlers subsequently is not on my stats sheet but Fabbri is, 1.02ppg 0.53g which even at 5'10" indicates to me Fabbri should be better in the NHL then Gagner. Would I draft him? No, he is to small for my tastes and the league is trending bigger. Probably closer than what I tossed out. Myers #31 blues 2015 for Mantha and 15? I feel uncomfortable trading Myers in the division, I don't want to be haunted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Would people be pissed if Florida passes on Ekblad and Buffalo selects him and then trades Myers to Detroit for Mantha? I'd take Ekblad but we'd have to get a center from somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Would people be pissed if Florida passes on Ekblad and Buffalo selects him and then trades Myers to Detroit for Mantha? Yes. Mantha doesn't play center. We need centers. Girgensons is maybe a solid #2 center... then we have? Lots of question marks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I'd take Ekblad but we'd have to get a center from somewhere. Exactly if you are trading Myers it is to Edmonton to Calgary for this years #3 or #4 overall pick. The exact details of what that would take from each side and stuff, IDK. If you trade Myers or Ehrhoff you need to be doing it with Center in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 According to Darren Dreger, Detroit is interested in Tyler Myers. How much of a ransom would the Sabres have to give up to pry Anthony Mantha away from them or is Mantha untouchable? The fact that an organ-eye-zation like Detroit wants Myers gives me pause. What do they see in him? I'd hate to see the young man leave and (re-)blossom into a top-2 guy with offensive upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 The fact that an organ-eye-zation like Detroit wants Myers gives me pause. What do they see in him? I'd hate to see the young man leave and (re-)blossom into a top-2 guy with offensive upside. That's mainly my fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppy22 Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Actually 70% of Ehlers scoring came while Drouin was on the bench. On that point you could argue that the others team best players always were lined up against drouin and ehlers didnt have to play against the number 1 line of the opponent... there is always pros and cons _______________ I mean there is no way that MacKinnon would have put up +60 points on last years sabres team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Hoping Ehrhoff gets moved today, maybe in a larger package to move back up in to the 1st round with a couple of the 2nd round picks and taking back salary. I'd like to think we could get back in to the 12 to 15 range with something around a situation like that. I'm hoping anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 I feel uncomfortable trading Myers in the division, I don't want to be haunted Divisions are bigger now. That limits trade partners. Can't worry about what you give up. Be more concerned on what we get back. The fact that an organ-eye-zation like Detroit wants Myers gives me pause. What do they see in him? I'd hate to see the young man leave and (re-)blossom into a top-2 guy with offensive upside. Probably a very talented young, good skating defenseman with a chance to become great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLaLaFontaine Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 The fact that an organ-eye-zation like Detroit wants Myers gives me pause. What do they see in him? I'd hate to see the young man leave and (re-)blossom into a top-2 guy with offensive upside. This is exactly what i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 Yes. Mantha doesn't play center. We need centers. Girgensons is maybe a solid #2 center... then we have? Lots of question marks. Preach on! As Freeman said earlier, don't get cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakish Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 On that point you could argue that the others team best players always were lined up against drouin and ehlers didnt have to play against the number 1 line of the opponent... there is always pros and cons Ehlers scored 1.4ppg in the roughly 18 games without Drouin, 1.6 total, and 1.7 in the games with Drouin. He's not a bad player, but 1.4 in the Q doesn't make you worth the draft position he'll get. If you swapped Ho Sang and Ehlers this season, I'm sure you would swap where they would be drafted as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 27, 2014 Report Share Posted June 27, 2014 @DarrenDreger The Panthers intend on making their decision on whether or not to trade the pick before they get to the Draft floor...so, likely before 5pm. Doesn't sound like either Buffalo or Edmonton are interested in moving the 2nd or 3rd pick overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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