X. Benedict Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I'm pessimistic that a package including Myers will be moved... Period. For anything. He's one of the few we should be keeping around. Ehrhoff can go. He's not young anymore and doesn't seem to want to be here. Last offseason I wanted them to move Myers for just about anything. This offseason I would want a king's ransom for him. I would've taken Jeff Skinner last year, but I don't think I would this year. I'd take Skinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Nope no way. Then we are the Oilers. Young players maybe good, but they need vets to give them space to get their feet. Ekblad would become our 2nd over D-man, facing Crosby, Ovechkin, Grioux etc. on a nightly basis. It just doesn't end well We have depth in our farm system. You don't trade vets to add more depth. Myers is 24, at some point you have to let players grow and play rather than trade them for newer younger models I agree with you on the veteran point, but the other big part of the Oilers' problem is that they are overweighted at forward and underweighted at D and goalie. The Sabres are overweighted on D but underweighted at forward. I don't particularly want to trade Myers, and I'm skeptical that it will happen, but I'd be OK if he brought back Skinner or Eberle. Not sure about O'Reilly, and NFW on Yakupov (definitely yes on Hall, but Edmonton wouldn't make that deal). Ekblad is really good. If he's the best player in the draft, do you ignore him, or make room for him? I'm okay drafting Ekblad. I'm optimistic that Myers (or Erhoff) with a package of picks can bring an offensive return. I'm also optimistic that Ekblad-Risto Zadorof-Pysyk would make a very good top 4 for years. I just don't know enough about Ekblad to say whether I'd want to trade Myers for him. If he's Shea Weber, it's a great move. If he's Erik Johnson? Probably not worth the time loss in development -- and it removes one of the Sabres' best trade assets from possible usage for upgrading the forwards, which is what they really need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I agree with you on the veteran point, but the other big part of the Oilers' problem is that they are overweighted at forward and underweighted at D and goalie. The Sabres are overweighted on D but underweighted at forward. I don't particularly want to trade Myers, and I'm skeptical that it will happen, but I'd be OK if he brought back Skinner or Eberle. Not sure about O'Reilly, and NFW on Yakupov (definitely yes on Hall, but Edmonton wouldn't make that deal). I just don't know enough about Ekblad to say whether I'd want to trade Myers for him. If he's Shea Weber, it's a great move. If he's Erik Johnson? Probably not worth the time loss in development -- and it removes one of the Sabres' best trade assets from possible usage for upgrading the forwards, which is what they really need. Ekblad has it all: balance, speed, size, monster shot, vision, mean streak. I really think he's about as close as I've seen to a can't miss D prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I don't think the Sabres should be looking to move Myers or any of the top d prospects. While we have plenty, and probably a few extra, I'd rather we wait them out and make damn sure we get a good top six out of it. In two/three years when the team may be ready to compete but needs a little scoring and still has a surplus I would move then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trettioåtta Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Ekblad is really good. If he's the best player in the draft, do you ignore him, or make room for him? I'm okay drafting Ekblad. I'm optimistic that Myers (or Erhoff) with a package of picks can bring an offensive return. I'm also optimistic that Ekblad-Risto Zadorof-Pysyk would make a very good top 4 for years. It would be good, if it could be developed. This season we iced 4 teenagers for a while. It was never going to work well. I want a team where the locker-room has a maturity to it (as much a sports locker room can) and where the kids are put in positions to succeed, not asked to step their game up a level before they have laced their skates up for the first time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I don't think the Sabres should be looking to move Myers or any of the top d prospects. While we have plenty, and probably a few extra, I'd rather we wait them out and make damn sure we get a good top six out of it. In two/three years when the team may be ready to compete but needs a little scoring and still has a surplus I would move then. I really like Tyler Myers. But he's yet to become the player that carries the team for long stretches. Do you build a core of players around him, or is he simply a good #3. Somehow this team has to add 70 goals a year to be competitive. I don't think Murray will be afraid to move Myers if he can improve the team by adding 30 goals in aggregate with a younger or similarly aged player. It would be good, if it could be developed. This season we iced 4 teenagers for a while. It was never going to work well. I want a team where the locker-room has a maturity to it (as much a sports locker room can) and where the kids are put in positions to succeed, not asked to step their game up a level before they have laced their skates up for the first time There's a reason they call Ekblad the "Man-child" . I think he can step right in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I agree with you on the veteran point, but the other big part of the Oilers' problem is that they are overweighted at forward and underweighted at D and goalie. The Sabres are overweighted on D but underweighted at forward. I don't particularly want to trade Myers, and I'm skeptical that it will happen, but I'd be OK if he brought back Skinner or Eberle. Not sure about O'Reilly, and NFW on Yakupov (definitely yes on Hall, but Edmonton wouldn't make that deal). I think the inverse Edmonton comparison is very apt. If we draft Ekblad without an accompanying deal to bring in a 1st line forward (and I mean 1st line, not top-6),I think that's a franchise crippling mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I really like Tyler Myers. But he's yet to become the player that carries the team for long stretches. Do you build a core of players around him, or is he simply a good #3. Somehow this team has to add 70 goals a year to be competitive. I don't think Murray will be afraid to move Myers if he can improve the team by adding 30 goals in aggregate with a younger or similarly aged player. Keeping Myers doesn't mean we have to build around him. Just like you don't build around a guy like Skinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I think the inverse Edmonton comparison is very apt. If we draft Ekblad without an accompanying deal to bring in a 1st line forward (and I mean 1st line, not top-6),I think that's a franchise crippling mistake. Agreed but what if you could draft Ekblad and Sam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Keeping Myers doesn't mean we have to build around him. Just like you don't build around a guy like Skinner. I'd be very happy to have Skinner. He's 22, can slide to center when needed. He really is underrated for how strong he is with the puck, almost in the same way Briere was underrated for his strength. He's not just a shot anymore. He'll continue to get stronger. I think he'd be a mainstay on a top line for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Agreed but what if you could draft Ekblad and Sam? Honestly? I don't know. I'd probably lean towards doing it, but I'll forever be tantalized by Myers' ceiling. In the realm of reality, however, I think Myers is trending more towards great 2nd pair Dman than Norris contender. I'd be very happy to have Skinner. He's 22, can slide to center when needed. He really is underrated for how strong he is with the puck, almost in the same way Briere was underrated for his strength. He's not just a shot anymore. He'll continue to get stronger. I think he'd be a mainstay on a top line for years. Sure, but if he's your best forward you're not really any better off than if Myers is your best defenseman. I think that's the point Tank was making. Edited May 30, 2014 by TrueBluePhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Would you do Myers or Ehrhoff with pick 39, Foligno and Ullmark for Eberle and Pick 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Would you do Myers or Ehrhoff with pick 39, Foligno and Ullmark for Eberle and Pick 3? Not a chance in hell. I'd do Myers or Ehrhoff #39 for Eberle and #3. I wouldn't add in all that other crap and I wouldn't add in Ullmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I'd be very happy to have Skinner. He's 22, can slide to center when needed. He really is underrated for how strong he is with the puck, almost in the same way Briere was underrated for his strength. He's not just a shot anymore. He'll continue to get stronger. I think he'd be a mainstay on a top line for years. I'd be curious to see him compete in a dive off against Boston. That is one part of Skinner's game that I absolutely hate. I'll admit to not seeing any of him this year, so it is possible that he may have outgrown that a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Not a chance in hell. I'd do Myers or Ehrhoff #39 for Eberle and #3. I wouldn't add in all that other crap and I wouldn't add in Ullmark. I see Myers for Eberle as fair value, so I don't know how you get 39 to 3 without other crap. I thought Ullmark would be a sticking point. I wonder how many people already consider him virtually untouchable. Edited May 30, 2014 by dudacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I'd be very happy to have Skinner. He's 22, can slide to center when needed. He really is underrated for how strong he is with the puck, almost in the same way Briere was underrated for his strength. He's not just a shot anymore. He'll continue to get stronger. I think he'd be a mainstay on a top line for years. I really like Skinner. Just not sure we should move the only young and NHL-capable dman we have right now. Myers really improved this year. He might finally be turning the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Would you do Myers or Ehrhoff with pick 39, Foligno and Ullmark for Eberle and Pick 3? Yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I see Myers for Eberle as fair value, so I don't know how you get 39 to 3 without other crap. I thought Ullmark would be a sticking point. I wonder how any people already consider him virtually untouchable. I place a high value on goalie prospects, but I've never seen the kid play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Would you do Myers or Ehrhoff with pick 39, Foligno and Ullmark for Eberle and Pick 3? Yesterday. I'm with TBPhD if it's Ehrhoff in the package. Not as easy if it's Myers, but I can probably get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 I see Myers for Eberle as fair value, so I don't know how you get 39 to 3 without other crap. I thought Ullmark would be a sticking point. I wonder how any people already consider him virtually untouchable. I'd toss Foligno in if that what it would take but I just can't pull that Ullmark trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 Edmonton also probably wouldn't place a whole lot of value on Ullmark. He's got a lot of potential, but he's only potential. They have some young bodies that have similar potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Honestly? I don't know. I'd probably lean towards doing it, but I'll forever be tantalized by Myers' ceiling. In the realm of reality, however, I think Myers is trending more towards great 2nd pair Dman than Norris contender. Sure, but if he's your best forward you're not really any better off than if Myers is your best defenseman. I think that's the point Tank was making. I'd put it this way. I'd trade a second pairing D-man in Myers for a top 3 forward in Skinner, assuming I could upgrade Myers too. Ekblad in. Skinner in. Myers out. I wouldn't want this in a vacuum, of course, but Murray still has plenty of ammo left to address the center ice position. Edited May 30, 2014 by X. Benedict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 30, 2014 Report Share Posted May 30, 2014 He'll get his 9 in October to show what he can do. Nikita's style, however, doesn't help him. He's not Going to go 2g-3a-5pts, +7 in 9 games to force his place in the lineup. He definitely gets his 9 in October. I don't expect his style to hinder him at all regarding the decision to keep him or send him back. If he looks comfortable and makes good decisions he might stay; if not, he's definitely going back. My guess at this point is that he looks solid but not great and gets spared being a part of what almost certainly will be a hound's breakfast of a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Just because it doesn't please you. They may want to keep him away from so much losing and failure for another year. Don't want him to learn to lose. Especially with the kind of attitude he has. Don't want to kill that. It didn't seem to ruin Girgensons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 My guess at this point is that he looks solid but not great and gets spared being a part of what almost certainly will be a hound's breakfast of a team. Y'know, "hound's breakfast" is a great turn of phrase that doesn't get used enough, especially now that the Sabres fit it so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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