Hoss Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 It didn't seem to ruin Girgensons. Girgensons was more clearly ready for the NHL and had a full season in the AHL done... Situations are clearly different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 It didn't seem to ruin Girgensons. Or Tyler Myers in at least his rookie of the year season, same age saw Zadorov now and not a single pro game under his belt when he made the jump. It can be done and it does look like more 19 year old defensemen are sticking in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Or Tyler Myers in at least his rookie of the year season, same age saw Zadorov now and not a single pro game under his belt when he made the jump. It can be done and it does look like more 19 year old defensemen are sticking in recent years. Well... Considering his best season was his rookie year and they made the playoffs that year then he got worse as the team did... Pretty sure that means he's the perfect example of how losing hurts players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Well... Considering his best season was his rookie year and they made the playoffs that year then he got worse as the team did... Pretty sure that means he's the perfect example of how losing hurts players. Your perfect example ignores the chicken/egg nature of this scenario. Did he get worse because the team did, or did the team get worse because he did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) Your perfect example ignores the chicken/egg nature of this scenario. Did he get worse because the team did, or did the team get worse because he did? Id say it's far more likely that the team got worse because it fell apart as a whole and then shipped off major talent. This isn't chicken and egg. Edited May 31, 2014 by Tankalicious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Id say it's far more likely that the team got worse because it fell apart as a whole and then shipped off major talent. This isn't chicken and egg. So you're saying Myers got worse in large part because his surrounding teammates got worse, rather than the nebulous impact of just winning fewer games? Agreed! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 So you're saying Myers got worse in large part because his surrounding teammates got worse, rather than the nebulous impact of just winning fewer games? Agreed! ;) Uhhh, yea. That's the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBlueGED Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Uhhh, yea. That's the point. Maybe you weren't here yet for these conversations, but there is a contingent that believes the act of losing in and of itself, completely independent of quality of teammates, hurts players. "Losing begets losing" is the phrase. I thought that's what you were getting at with your original statement. So the debate is whether losing causes players/teams to get worse, or is simply a natural consequence of having a worse roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Maybe you weren't here yet for these conversations, but there is a contingent that believes the act of losing in and of itself, completely independent of quality of teammates, hurts players. "Losing begets losing" is the phrase. I thought that's what you were getting at with your original statement. So the debate is whether losing causes players/teams to get worse, or is simply a natural consequence of having a worse roster. Well, they're not really that different. The idea of keeping prospects away is to keep them away from the losing culture of a talentless roster. Either way you look at it, it's a bad idea to push them if they're not 100%, without a doubt, ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 I don't buy that putting a young player into a losing team affects that players' development negatively. Lots of kids in junior hockey (or any other sports' developmental league) get drafted out of losing systems. Does three years in a losing team in a developmental league mean that the player is less likely to become a successful player in the pros? I'd like to see the data that suggests it. and I don't think this is any different than a young player spending his first 2-3 years on a losing pro team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Amerk Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I don't buy that putting a young player into a losing team affects that players' development negatively. Lots of kids in junior hockey (or any other sports' developmental league) get drafted out of losing systems. Does three years in a losing team in a developmental league mean that the player is less likely to become a successful player in the pros? I'd like to see the data that suggests it. and I don't think this is any different than a young player spending his first 2-3 years on a losing pro team. Bam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 1, 2014 Report Share Posted June 1, 2014 I don't buy that putting a young player into a losing team affects that players' development negatively. Lots of kids in junior hockey (or any other sports' developmental league) get drafted out of losing systems. Does three years in a losing team in a developmental league mean that the player is less likely to become a successful player in the pros? I'd like to see the data that suggests it. and I don't think this is any different than a young player spending his first 2-3 years on a losing pro team. I don't think it's a major issue, but if there's any reason to keep them in juniors then do it. Buys another contract year, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 @pham1717 Murray says Chad Cassidy Will be back in Roch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastajoe Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 So the AHL final game 3 was played in St Johns last night. But they don't play next until Monday night. What else could be going on in St Johns that would prevent them from playing this weekend? This series will probably go longer than the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 So the AHL final game 3 was played in St Johns last night. But they don't play next until Monday night. What else could be going on in St Johns that would prevent them from playing this weekend? This series will probably go longer than the NHL. There's a convention in St. John's this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 There's a convention in St. John's this weekend. Ah the AHL, taking backseat to furry conventions and their own domain name. theahl.com :doh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastajoe Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 There's a convention in St. John's this weekend. Should've moved the game to Winnipeg, they'd probably get a bigger crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 @kevinoDandC Just in from the #Amerks front: The #Sabres did not make qualifying offers to #Amerks D-men Matt MacKenzie and Nick Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 @kevinoDandC Just in from the #Amerks front: The #Sabres did not make qualifying offers to #Amerks D-men Matt MacKenzie and Nick Crawford. I liked both players but they were the epitome of JAG. Can't see either anything other than AHL lifer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudacek Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I liked both players but they were the epitome of JAG. Can't see either anything other than AHL lifer. Yep, same with me. Cutting out the deadwood, freeing space for new contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Yep, same with me. Cutting out the deadwood, freeing space for new contracts. Next years Amerks D (I know a lot depends on what happens in the next 48 hours or so): Ruwehdal Gauthier-Leduc McCabe Bagnall (if they being him back) Brady Austin (I think his junior eligibility is up) ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Next years Amerks D (I know a lot depends on what happens in the next 48 hours or so): Ruwehdal Gauthier-Leduc McCabe Bagnall (if they being him back) Brady Austin (I think his junior eligibility is up) ??? They could always bring back either of Crawford or MacKenzie on AHL deals if either side was interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 They could always bring back either of Crawford or MacKenzie on AHL deals if either side was interested. Sign them for Elmira? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Sign them for Elmira? Do they have the AHL-ECHL version of the two-way contract? I'm sure that would be an option as long as other AHL teams aren't that interested in these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X. Benedict Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Do they have the AHL-ECHL version of the two-way contract? I'm sure that would be an option as long as other AHL teams aren't that interested in these guys. yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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