Weave Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 He would need to be St Louis. He's not, so you are right, he's right on track to be what we thought he would be. I don't think he needs to be an all star. It may just be a different cast of characters around him that would allow him to be more useful. A team, or at least a line, with more grit on it may allow him to do his thing more effectively. As it is right now, we don't have that lineup for him consequently I think we need bigger bodies in the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 My 2 cents: - I wouldn't look to unload either of the smurfs unless a trading partner required it as part of a package for a good player. I think each of them can play and contribute to a playoff run this season. - injuries will likely provide part of the solution, as guys like Hecht, Kaleta and Gerbe may not be able to stay healthy, Leino is still out for a while and other guys are likely to get banged up as well. - I like what I've seen out of Kassian so far but I don't think it's quite enough to keep him here if it means exposing a veteran other than Ellis or McCormick to waivers. - the other part of the puzzle is figuring out who plays on Getzlaf's line once Roy is traded for him, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 My 2 cents: - I wouldn't look to unload either of the smurfs unless a trading partner required it as part of a package for a good player. I think each of them can play and contribute to a playoff run this season. - injuries will likely provide part of the solution, as guys like Hecht, Kaleta and Gerbe may not be able to stay healthy, Leino is still out for a while and other guys are likely to get banged up as well. - I like what I've seen out of Kassian so far but I don't think it's quite enough to keep him here if it means exposing a veteran other than Ellis or McCormick to waivers. - the other part of the puzzle is figuring out who plays on Getzlaf's line once Roy is traded for him, right? Over/Under for trade proposals at 30 posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 You're right. I shouldn't have done that. I'm still annoyed about that last bit of nonsense but there was no reason to pollute a good thread. I do think it's way too early to give up on Ennis or Gerbe, although I'm worried about concussions with Gerbe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 You're right. I shouldn't have done that. I'm still annoyed about that last bit of nonsense but there was no reason to pollute a good thread. I do think it's way too early to give up on Ennis or Gerbe, although I'm worried about concussions with Gerbe. Is moving them for other assets giving up on them? IMO it is not. Sometimes you need to move good players to fill other needs. I see Ennis especially as having value in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulFuture Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Boyes lined up on LW twice this evening. Interesting really, but it wasn't anything that helped his game immensely. He's still a natural RW'er. But yes, it is interesting all of the wingers we have. Let's see if Darcy can't move a couple for a decent return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Over/Under for trade proposals at 30 posts? It's already at 30. I'll take the over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Van, Boyes, Gerbe, Mccormick as LW, Leino, Adam, Hecht as Centers, Ennis as LW if Boyes needs to fill in on RW (I can't remember if Boyes plays both wings). Off the top of my head thats how I'd do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I think in Ennis' return last time he showed that he can mesh with roy and help to generate on that line so I believe he should go right back into the lineup. Gerbe should be inserted and ellis should be benched... which do you think scores more? Leino should be put back with Adam and Kassian. why are we having this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumbPuck Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I think in Ennis' return last time he showed that he can mesh with roy and help to generate on that line so I believe he should go right back into the lineup. Gerbe should be inserted and ellis should be benched... which do you think scores more? Leino should be put back with Adam and Kassian. why are we having this discussion? The millennials are in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 I think in Ennis' return last time he showed that he can mesh with roy and help to generate on that line so I believe he should go right back into the lineup. Gerbe should be inserted and ellis should be benched... which do you think scores more? Leino should be put back with Adam and Kassian. why are we having this discussion? Why? Unless you are using fuzzy math(or some digital rewired way of thinking), you just added 3 players in the lineup, and removed only one. That is what the discussion is about! :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Lest everyone forget, Gerbe was the only reason the Philly series last year was even interesting. The kid has shown playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Lest everyone forget, Gerbe was the only reason the Philly series last year was even interesting. The kid has shown playoff game. Him and Ennis, yupp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Crotch Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Why? Unless you are using fuzzy math(or some digital rewired way of thinking), you just added 3 players in the lineup, and removed only one. That is what the discussion is about! :doh: Yessir. The issue is we have 15 forwards and only 12 spots. So to reframe the original post, which of these guys sits if everyone is healthy? Luke Adam, Brad Boyes, Matt Ellis, Tyler Ennis, Paul Gaustad "A", Nathan Gerbe, Jochen Hecht, Patrick Kaleta, Zack Kassian, Ville Leino, Cody McCormick, Jason Pominville "C", Derek Roy "A", Drew Stafford "A", Thomas Vanek "A" To me, Ellis is an obvious choice to sit, but then which two others??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dEnnis the Menace Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Yessir. The issue is we have 15 forwards and only 12 spots. So to reframe the original post, which of these guys sits if everyone is healthy? Luke Adam, Brad Boyes, Matt Ellis, Tyler Ennis, Paul Gaustad "A", Nathan Gerbe, Jochen Hecht, Patrick Kaleta, Zack Kassian, Ville Leino, Cody McCormick, Jason Pominville "C", Derek Roy "A", Drew Stafford "A", Thomas Vanek "A" To me, Ellis is an obvious choice to sit, but then which two others??? It's easier to visualize like so: LW - C - RW Vanek - Hecht - Pominville Ennis - Roy - Stafford Adam - Leino - Kassian Gerbe - Gaustad - Kaleta McCormick - Ellis - Boyes also, what happens when our D is fully healthy? Myers - Regehr Weber - Sekera Leopold - Ehrhoff MAG - McNabb Honestly, I don't know who to sit other than Ellis. You could send Kassian back to ROC, but that doesn't make sense with how he's been playing. Same with McNabb (although he will probably be a casualty of the numbers game until any trade is made). Boyes was playing well before he went down, and anyone watching or listening to the game last night could definitely tell he was back. Do you sit Kaleta or McC with Ellis? Do you rotate who sits? I think the best thing for this team would be a trade, but that's just my opinion. shake things up a little, let the two younger guys stay in the lineup (McNabb and Kass), and change the scenery a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Yessir. The issue is we have 15 forwards and only 12 spots. So to reframe the original post, which of these guys sits if everyone is healthy? Luke Adam, Brad Boyes, Matt Ellis, Tyler Ennis, Paul Gaustad "A", Nathan Gerbe, Jochen Hecht, Patrick Kaleta, Zack Kassian, Ville Leino, Cody McCormick, Jason Pominville "C", Derek Roy "A", Drew Stafford "A", Thomas Vanek "A" To me, Ellis is an obvious choice to sit, but then which two others??? I would send Ellis and Kassian to Rochester, and assuming everyone else is healthy and no players are moved via trade, Kaleta & McCormick become the 12th and 13th forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robviously Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Given the roster we have, I didn't mind what we iced today. I didn't see where Ennis, or Gerbe for that matter, were missed. Right now we have Vanek, Boyes, Adam, and Cody as our LW's and I am perfectly comfortable with that depthchart. What an interesting dilemma we could have. The depth chart is interesting. LW- Vanek, Hecht, Leino, Adam, McCormick, Ennis, Gerbe And Boyes played LW tonight too, didn't he? Yeah, a few of them could move to center. I could see Cody kicking Ellis to the bench when another LW returns. Then again, it could just as easily be Cody in the pressbox. I think Ennis' return in particular is really going to make a tough decision get made. Could we be seeing the end of the mighty midget era? The best solution would be for Darcy to make a friggin' trade so that our roster could actually make sense. Maybe we could change the date on his computer and pin the calenders to March so that he can come out of his winter hibernation and do something. Adam belongs at center. Roy and Stafford belong on other teams. Ellis can sit. I wouldn't hesitate to send Kassian back down to Rochester either. He's awesome but he'd probably benefit from a ton more ice time in Rochester at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Van-Hecht-Pom Boyes-Roy-Kassian Gerbe-Adam-Stafford Mccormick-Gausted-Kaleta Boyes has had a better season that Ennis for me, or has looked better when in. Leino I don't know yet, same on defense. Off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I would send Ellis and Kassian to Rochester, and assuming everyone else is healthy and no players are moved via trade, Kaleta & McCormick become the 12th and 13th forwards. this is what I was thinking as well. McNabb should go back down as well. At some point a trade could happen or Boyes, Hecht, ellis just go away after this year anyways. Would anyone want to give Boyes an extension and kick stafford to the curb? (just asking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 The millennials are in agreement. whatsa Millennial? Darcy will try to move an asset, McNabb may stick. Lindy loves his vets. Someone else will get hurt and it will be a moot point in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabres Fan in NS Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 whatsa Millennial? You don't want to know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 whatsa Millennial? Darcy will try to move an asset, McNabb may stick. Lindy loves his vets. Someone else will get hurt and it will be a moot point in the end. Ah the Millenial minds. Those young members of our society who are capable of thinking in a manner not seen before in human history. Their brains can see and jnterpret an infinite number of variables in time and space and can also get extra cranky when old people don't agree with them. It's tough to be a Millenial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Ah the Millenial minds. Those young members of our society who are capable of thinking in a manner not seen before in human history. Their brains can see and jnterpret an infinite number of variables in time and space and can also get extra cranky when old people don't agree with them. It's tough to be a Millenial. damn kids, get off my lawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 damn kids, get off my lawn! :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 :unsure: His millenial mind isn't wired to process sarcasm sourced from other millenial minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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