Warriorspikes51 Posted December 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Man a lot of fans sure are on edge and bitter.... If you throw Ennis in along with Roy and Stafford....the Ducks would have an awfully hard time turning that down. The original proposal is not that far off at all. Many fans have a terrible habit of thinking other teams good players are so much more valuable than their own. I think some of you folks should step outside and breathe some fresh air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 One problem with this Getzlaf proposal is that the Ducks are at the roster limit... meaning, any trade must be a player for player deal (1 for 1, 3 for 3, etc). This came up when the Bobby Ryan discussion was in the news a few weeks back and it still holds true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelo Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 A good trade with Anaheim is wishful thinking. Although Darcy's had some good drafts, trades aren't his forte. Not recently anyway. Deals with teams that are smarter than us, like Detroit, Boston etc, never end up well and Anaheim, having a cup to their credit, is "hockey smarter" than us. But who isn't, at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGR4GM Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 you're quickly becoming the most annoying poster on the board for me :flirt: good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 I have an even better one... Roy, Stafford, Sekera, Gragnani, Boyes, Ellis, Pominville, Ennis, Leino, plus draft picks for Getzlaf.... How could Anaheim refuse to take half a team full of underachievers for their best player...?!?!?!? :doh: Roy: Has overacheived in his career (most thought he wouldn't top 50 points when he was a rookie). Has a good value contact and good market value. Most consier Buffalo stupid to get rid of him. Grag: Rookie who's performed well offensively but needs work on D, overall could be worse. Certainly has value. Pominville: Wow...just wow, underacheiving? What the hell does this guy have to do to get some respect? His not ###### Gretzky. Sekera: Been on our top 2 D several times this year, plays a solid game. Ellis: Plays a low-skill energy game, how is he underacheiving? On note I think Boyes looked good before he got injured. What is the point of this post? Certainly you understand that no one is saying "don't post any trade ideas" or "only post if you have several thousand posts." Why would you spew this nonsense? To be clear: I (and, I would guess, most of the grown-ups here) have no problem discussing potential trades as long as they are somewhat plausible. But people come here for knowledgeable hockey talk, and proposing a trade of the Sabres' underachievers for an elite player is a ridiculous waste of time. As SDS has trenchantly pointed out: if you are thinking about posting a trade, and you would make the trade in a second if it were offered to you (like, say, Roy and Stafford for Getzlaf), it's probably an unrealistic trade. It only becomes plausible when the price is high enough so that you start to think that it's too much to give up. D4rksabre: Additionally, I would like to propose a ban on Trade Proposal threads. They're never worth reading. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Man a lot of fans sure are on edge and bitter.... If you throw Ennis in along with Roy and Stafford....the Ducks would have an awfully hard time turning that down. The original proposal is not that far off at all. Many fans have a terrible habit of thinking other teams good players are so much more valuable than their own. I think some of you folks should step outside and breathe some fresh air! You're not getting a big physical center like Getzlaf for Ennis, Roy and Stafford. It will take more than a second line center and a couple of third/fourth line wingers. Especially since Drew Stafford has gone back to being Drew Stafford. I like your proposal & the logic behind it, however, I am hung up on McNabb being part of this scenario. Some other highly-touted prospect, yes, but not McNabb....he has shown me too much already. Just my 2 cents ..... The Ducks are going to want some physical presence back to make up for the loss of Getzlaf. I see it as either McNabb or Kassian. I don't think Weber has the value right now to fill that need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 If I am an opposing GM, I target guys on other teams who are not being used properly. It helps if they have youth or a managable contract as well. Vancouver has long taken an interest in our bigger forwards. They even sniffed around about Vanek late last year. Guys on the Sabres that probably have a higher value to other teams in my opinion and could be tradable are Stafford, Gaustad, Gerbe, Weber. If I advised another franchise, that is who I would target in trying to get. There are plenty of decent/quality players that are who they are.....Vanek, Pominville, Miller, Regehr, Leopold, Ehrhoff, Hecht, Lieno....but there is no value in their age or contracts. A guy like Roy or Ennis has value....I still think Roy can stfu if on a team with leaders who will force him to focus. Ennis has some creative upside and is young and cheap. I guess throw Enroth in the same category. Gragnani and Adam are playable prospects but a ?? in my mind that I am sure Darcy overvalues. Myers is a unique situation in that he has franchise potential, but has not improved his game as of yet and is fully priced. Sure he has value, but he is not someone who will get the door knocked down at this point in time. Then you have the pure prospects. Sekera, Boyes, Kaleta, McCormick, Ellis....you'd have to pay me to take. Maybe Sekera gets a nibble but his contract is an anchor. The other guys you pick up as training camp invitees off waivers. Roy on a team like Pittsburgh or Chicago could have a renewal. Stafford on a team that cycles and drives to the net could pick up those habbits like the flu. Gaustad as a role player on Detroit or Boston could be a leader in his own right and win a Cup. Weber and Gerbe could have a bright future and still contribute on just about any number of teams. The problem with the Sabres is the system and players too familiar with each other. A change of scenery can do wonders. We had young Regehr here for the first 15 games, but as injuries piled up he was forced to settle down and is resembling more the Calgary '09-'11 Regehr. On an upstart or confident top team, some of the guys people are crying to trade actually do have value.The good teams stay good for a reason, and the mediocre ones stay mediocre as well. Thoughtful and accurate. Be careful a discussion about hockey may break out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampD Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Why are we Sabres fans so enamored by Aneheim forwards anyway. I know they won a Cup, but wasn't it because they had Pronger and Niedermayer eating up 40 minutes a game. I know Getzlaf is a big center, but I always get the impression that he is also an LA pretty boy. I think he would hate it in Buffalo and end up being just another paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Roy: Has overacheived in his career (most thought he wouldn't top 50 points when he was a rookie). Has a good value contact and good market value. Most consier Buffalo stupid to get rid of him. Grag: Rookie who's performed well offensively but needs work on D, overall could be worse. Certainly has value. Pominville: Wow...just wow, underacheiving? What the hell does this guy have to do to get some respect? His not ###### Gretzky. Sekera: Been on our top 2 D several times this year, plays a solid game. Ellis: Plays a low-skill energy game, how is he underacheiving? On note I think Boyes looked good before he got injured. D4rksabre: Prove me wrong. I dare you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Why are we Sabres fans so enamored by Aneheim forwards anyway. I know they won a Cup, but wasn't it because they had Pronger and Niedermayer eating up 40 minutes a game. I know Getzlaf is a big center, but I always get the impression that he is also an LA pretty boy. I think he would hate it in Buffalo and end up being just another paycheck. It's not about Anaheim forwards. It's about identifying teams like the Ducks, Canes and Blue Jackets that are having poor seasons and trying to work that to the Sabres advantage. Teams in that position are more willing to shake things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 Prove me wrong. I dare you. It's an opinion, I don't seek to change yours so no. Don't read 'em if you don't like 'em, problem solved, go elsewhere. It's not about Anaheim forwards. It's about identifying teams like the Ducks, Canes and Blue Jackets that are having poor seasons and trying to work that to the Sabres advantage. Teams in that position are more willing to shake things up. And the Flames, Iginla may be available if we can convince him we're serious about a cup. I know the last thing we need is a RW, but if we include Stafford in the deal it could work. I don't think there is any way we could get Staal from the Canes though, as nice as that would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckleberry Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I'm not getting where all this adoration for stastny is coming from. If you look at his stats he never put up bigger numbers then Roy. And that some of you would even add sekera and 2nd round draft pick for him really is shocking. thank god those people aren't in charge of the team ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesportsbuff Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 <p> <br>I'm not getting where all this adoration for stastny is coming from. If you look at his stats he never put up bigger numbers then Roy.<br> And that some of you would even add sekera and 2nd round draft pick for him really is shocking.<br> <br> thank god those people aren't in charge of the team <img alt=";)" class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://forums.sabrespace.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png"><br> I think overall Stastny may be a bigger household name than Roy, but I agree somewhat with your assessment -- I'm not really interested in him, other than the fact that he's a center. I'd rather wait for someone bigger to become available, if and when that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weave Posted December 17, 2011 Report Share Posted December 17, 2011 I'm not getting where all this adoration for stastny is coming from. If you look at his stats he never put up bigger numbers then Roy. And that some of you would even add sekera and 2nd round draft pick for him really is shocking. thank god those people aren't in charge of the team ;) It's not about getting someone with bigger numbers. It's about getting someone who plays like he wants to win. To be honest, I don't see many Av's games so I don't know if Statsny is that guy. I do know that Roy isn't that guy and it's time he's replaced. And Statsny plays on a team rich with centers so it seems logical to discuss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabres1970 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I don't know about what we'd get in return but it's time to shake things up. If Darcy/Pegula don't man up and fire Lindy, then it's time to ship off Roy, Stafford or some of these other indifferent lazy bastards in return for some players who will actually give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I don't know about what we'd get in return but it's time to shake things up. If Darcy/Pegula don't man up and fire Lindy, then it's time to ship off Roy, Stafford or some of these other indifferent lazy bastards in return for some players who will actually give a damn. great idea! Here are some players from our team who don't give damn, please give me the ones on your team that do! Brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabres1970 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 great idea! Here are some players from our team who don't give damn, please give me the ones on your team that do! Brilliant! Haha good one! Thanks for the unneeded sarcasm! Really needed that one after that awesome game I just sat through. Because you're totally right, no one would even consider acquiring Roy or Stafford despite the numbers they've put up in recent years. My point buddy, is not that Roy and Satfford are particulary unskilled. They're just not giving the effort needed for them to succeed in our system. But thanks for your brilliant response, I really do appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleven Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 great idea! Here are some players from our team who don't give damn, please give me the ones on your team that do! Brilliant! Gratton for Briere: two players who didn't give a damn. One learned to give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazielSabre Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 great idea! Here are some players from our team who don't give damn, please give me the ones on your team that do! Brilliant! As a Brit I applaud your sarcasm. Nice post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPie Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 Haha good one! Thanks for the unneeded sarcasm! Really needed that one after that awesome game I just sat through. I think the sarcasm was entirely necessary. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FogBat Posted December 21, 2011 Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 great idea! Here are some players from our team who don't give damn, please give me the ones on your team that do! Brilliant! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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