Eleven Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Players arriving in camp and receiving the "C" isn't new. Some guys are natural leaders and it's recognized immediately. I'm not privy to how it worked with Rivet, and I'm not giving an opinion on him wearing the "C", but I'd guess he fell into it naturally and it was recognized. I'm not--repeat NOT--comparing Rivet to him, but as an example Mark Messier showed up with the Rangers and was almost immediately named captain. His reputation preceded him, which accounted for that, but he would've worn it anyway because he was a natural leader. Plus, the players voted for Rivet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Meatloaf is always better the second day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Meatloaf is always better the second day. Does this mean the Sabres should resign Max & Miro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Does this mean the Sabres should resign Max & Miro? lol no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabresneedaCup Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 Meatloaf is always better the second day. but i wont do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASabreFan Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 but i wont do that. Well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 The type of player that most around here are usually calling for on the blueline is that guy that won't let anyone come anywhere near Miller. A guy who won't lose many battles for the puck behind the net. Very little of that stuff is actually going to show up in the hits stat kept by the NHL. That stat is almost always about plays made on the puck. The stuff that the big time physical defenseman does is away from the puck a good amount of the time, so that stat means very little when trying to analyze that kind of player. Deluca's golden boy of this year's free agent class of defenseman, Anton Volchenkov? Ranked 28th in hits last year. His games played factors in a bit, but even with a full 82 game season, he doesn't find his way into the top 10. In fact, in the same number of games played, Volchenkov was out-hit by a margin of 25 hits by 5'9 journeyman defenseman Freddy Meyer. I guess that makes Meyer the big time physical defenseman that everyone needs. He's a free agent too. 153 hits and 172 blocked shots? The day you know what you are talking about is the day I stop posting here. Guess I'll be here a really long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 153 hits and 172 blocked shots? The day you know what you are talking about is the day I stop posting here. Guess I'll be here a really long time. So did he say something in error? You continue to have problems dealing with the issue discussed in the previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluca67 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 So did he say something in error? You continue to have problems dealing with the issue discussed in the previous post. By simply including a Freddie Myers in a conversation that includes Volchenkov he erred. Just another attempt by those that support Status Quo to try and reduce the value of the quality players that were available to this team that could have greatly improved the quality of this roster that is clearly and sorely lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 By simply including a Freddie Myers in a conversation that includes Volchenkov he erred. Just another attempt by those that support Status Quo to try and reduce the value of the quality players that were available to this team that could have greatly improved the quality of this roster that is clearly and sorely lacking. The problem is you have still haven't shown a correlation between these un-official stats and success. All that keeps happening is that guys like Myers and teams like the Islanders and Panthers keep showing up on the leader board. Given that NHL general managers only saw fit to give Volchenkov a contract with a $4.25 million cap hit, apparently they don't value those stats as much as you do either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VansTheMans Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I still have a feeling that Regier is going to make a trade. After Kovalchuk signs, it will be a busy, busy time for the GM's of the league. There should be alot of player movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I still have a feeling that Regier is going to make a trade. After Kovalchuk signs, it will be a busy, busy time for the GM's of the league. There should be alot of player movement. I don't think so. I think Darcy is truly done. He has high hopes for the young guys coming out of Portland. Ennis, Gerbe, Weber and Gragnani look to make a push in training camp. We still have Butler and Sekera to fill spots as well. Forwards Vanek Roy Pommers Connolly Hecht Stafford McCormick Gaustad Kaleta Kennedy Grier Niedermayer Ennis Gerbe I count 14 forwards. Defense Rivet Myers Montador Leopold Sekera Butler Weber Gragnani I count 8 defensemen. Nope, I firmly believe Regier thinks he has all of the pieces he needs. I realize many of the fans think other wise (including myself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VansTheMans Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 If Stafford plays in the top six it will be a grave injustice to some of the younger talent on the team. If Stafford isn't dealt before the beginning of the season, I bet the house his ###### is gone at the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregkash Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 No way Kassian makes the club this year. From all reports he looked a step behind in his skating a puck work. Having toughness is cool but not for the sake of just being tough. He isn't going to be an Andrew Peters, we didn't draft him to be Andrew Peters anyway. That role is dying too, we drafted him to be more of a Lucic type player and to do that he needs to be able to keep up with the big boys. That, combined with his off ice difficulties, mean to me that he needs to PROVE himself in the minors to this team. I like my players developed in Portland before coming up to the big club. I think that's worked well before, and I believe in that system.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristian Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 If Stafford plays in the top six it will be a grave injustice to some of the younger talent on the team. If Stafford isn't dealt before the beginning of the season, I bet the house his ###### is gone at the trade deadline. I'm not watching any game that Stafford plays in, it's that simple. Biggest. Waste. Of. A. Roster. Spot. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty16 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 By simply including a Freddie Myers in a conversation that includes Volchenkov he erred. Just another attempt by those that support Status Quo to try and reduce the value of the quality players that were available to this team that could have greatly improved the quality of this roster that is clearly and sorely lacking. You have erred by trying to make a point using a subjective statistic, hits, and relating it the perceived toughness of a player and using stafford as an example. As i said Gaustad had more hits than chris pronger, who someone in a post earlier said was big bad and tough. Quite frankly most of the time your posts are off base and condescending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 The problem is you have still haven't shown a correlation between these un-official stats and success. All that keeps happening is that guys like Myers and teams like the Islanders and Panthers keep showing up on the leader board. Given that NHL general managers only saw fit to give Volchenkov a contract with a $4.25 million cap hit, apparently they don't value those stats as much as you do either. Thanks to Tyler, everyone is now finally spelling it Myers. :lol: Just to be clear, the player we're talking about here is Freddy MEYER. I don't want anyone to think we suddenly switched over to talking about Tyler all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 No way Kassian makes the club this year. From all reports he looked a step behind in his skating a puck work. Having toughness is cool but not for the sake of just being tough. He isn't going to be an Andrew Peters, we didn't draft him to be Andrew Peters anyway. That role is dying too, we drafted him to be more of a Lucic type player and to do that he needs to be able to keep up with the big boys. That, combined with his off ice difficulties, mean to me that he needs to PROVE himself in the minors to this team. I like my players developed in Portland before coming up to the big club. I think that's worked well before, and I believe in that system.. Once again, Kassian cannot play in the minors this year (at least until his junior team's season is done). Its Buffalo or juniors to start season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Once again, Kassian cannot play in the minors this year (at least until his junior team's season is done). Its Buffalo or juniors to start season. Curious if he can play in the pre-season? I would think so. Then again, if he's not trying to make the team why play him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom webster Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Curious if he can play in the pre-season? I would think so. Then again, if he's not trying to make the team why play him? I am 99.9% sure he can play in the pre-season without effecting his status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpandean Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Curious if he can play in the pre-season? I would think so. Then again, if he's not trying to make the team why play him? Assuming that they end up signing him, then they can even have him play nine NHL games without using a year of his contract (like they did with Myers before deciding to keep him.) If they don't sign him yet (I believe that they have another one year before they lose his rights), then I don't know if he can play even in pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Assuming that they end up signing him, then they can even have him play nine NHL games without using a year of his contract (like they did with Myers before deciding to keep him.) If they don't sign him yet (I believe that they have another one year before they lose his rights), then I don't know if he can play even in pre-season. Based on Ruff's statement following the development camp, does Kassian even get the 9 game try out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Based on Ruff's statement following the development camp, does Kassian even get the 9 game try out? I don't think he will. Maybe he'll play a preseason game or two at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 If Stafford plays in the top six it will be a grave injustice to some of the younger talent on the team. If Stafford isn't dealt before the beginning of the season, I bet the house his ###### is gone at the trade deadline. Its a down right crying shame if Stafford gets another shot this season. He may very well do much better with another organization, he just isn't working out here I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I don't think he will. Maybe he'll play a preseason game or two at most. To bad actually, I had high hopes for this kid as a power forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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