korab rules Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 The point is Darcy isn't going anywhere, so as long as he is the GM the analogy stands. Even with a new GM I don't ever see the Sabres being big players in free agency with Quinn and Golisano in charge. Sanity to me is not holding out in false hope year after year after year that Darcy will make a big splash in free agency. Voicing displeasure with a failure to act and actually expecting action to occur are two completely different things which YOU insist on lumping together. I don't know that anyone voicing their displeasure actually EXPECTED Darcy to do anything other than what he has done. And whether Darcy is hamstrung by Quinn/Golisano or if our current inaction is Darcy's call won't be known until Darcy is gone and his replacement in place. Based on Darcy's history, I suspect our current inaction is mostly due to Darcy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
static70 Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 I'd much rather work out a trade instead of going the route of losing the 4 first round picks it would take. That is the only route that would eliminate Anaheim's say in the matter. Ah yes, he is Tier 1. But, I'll take him for the 4 firsts any day. With him in the line up those aren't going to be top 12 picks. So ya, I would say the reward out ways the risk in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Ah yes, he is Tier 1. But, I'll take him for the 4 firsts any day. With him in the line up those aren't going to be top 12 picks. So ya, I would say the reward out ways the risk in this case. There's still that wild card of will they/won't they match it with Anaheim for anyone who tries to sign him. A trade is the only way to effectively eliminate that option. Quite honestly, short of something completely absurd, there is no offer out there that Anaheim won't match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreInFla Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Buffalo Signs McCormick One yr. deal worth $500,000. Cody McCormick gets a one way deal. Source: Andy Strickland Clearly making a run for the cup here................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderbread Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Buffalo Signs McCormick One yr. deal worth $500,000. Cody McCormick gets a one way deal. Source: Andy Strickland Clearly making a run for the cup here................ Thats great but I think we still have several other issues to address her DR? <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude_Verret Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Voicing displeasure with a failure to act and actually expecting action to occur are two completely different things which YOU insist on lumping together. I don't know that anyone voicing their displeasure actually EXPECTED Darcy to do anything other than what he has done. In that case this thread needs to be renamed to "Place to bitch about our GM not signing guys that we all knew with 100% certainty he wasn't going to sign in the first place" That clearly separates the two actions while at the same time demonstrating it's complete lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreInFla Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Thats great but I think we still have several other issues to address her DR? <_< He should play about 5 games............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 He should play about 5 games............ I'd say a lot more than that, he's probably replacing Mair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 He should play about 5 games............ The Sabres don't pay a guy NHL money to sit in the AHL. With that one-way deal, he's got his spot on the 4th line in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreInFla Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 The Sabres don't pay a guy NHL money to sit in the AHL. With that one-way deal, he's got his spot on the 4th line in Buffalo. Hope that's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Aud Smell Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 With that one-way deal, he's got his spot on the 4th line in Buffalo. and deservedly so, IMO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdmT-Ycn22s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Buffalo Signs McCormick One yr. deal worth $500,000. Cody McCormick gets a one way deal. Source: Andy Strickland Clearly making a run for the cup here................ Why wasn't this deal done 2 months ago? Does anyone else get the feeling Darcy is an automaton? He deals without emotion in a sport ruled by emotion. Think this plays any part in the free agency problems we have experienced over the years and his preference for trades where the player doesn't have a say in the matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 In that case this thread needs to be renamed to "Place to bitch about our GM not signing guys that we all knew with 100% certainty he wasn't going to sign in the first place" That clearly separates the two actions while at the same time demonstrating it's complete lunacy. That is supposed to happen in the OT thread, but sometimes it trickles over here. And expectations may have been bumped up this year by Darcy's own statements that they were going to be a playa and things were going to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Why wasn't this deal done 2 months ago? Does anyone else get the feeling Darcy is an automaton? He deals without emotion in a sport ruled by emotion. Think this plays any part in the free agency problems we have experienced over the years and his preference for trades where the player doesn't have a say in the matter? So now we're complaining that Regier should have signed Cody McCormick earlier than he actually signed him? The downward spiral of this board just keeps right on going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 So now we're complaining that Regier should have signed Cody McCormick earlier than he actually signed him? The downward spiral of this board just keeps right on going. Actually, yes - but hear me out. Why expose a player you intend to sign to free agency? Get the deal done when you have exclusive negotiating rights. Competition for services drives up the cost of those services. Sure, free agency could be used to tamp down expectations of a player who has his head in the clouds about his worth on the open market, but do you think that's likely with a guy who spent the entire regular season in the minors? What the frig has Darcy been doing for the past 2 months? How long did it take to put this deal together - 2 minutes? This is the issue I have with DR - he likes playing chicken with semis. In this case, who cares if we lose McCormick, but this same lassez-faire attitude and lack of any urgency to get a deal done before free agency kicked in cost us drury, briere and campbell. Players are people - they want to feel needed. I doubt they feel needed when Darcy takes three months to get back to them about their contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreInFla Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 So now we're complaining that Regier should have signed Cody McCormick earlier than he actually signed him? The downward spiral of this board just keeps right on going. lol....I was thinking that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Why wasn't this deal done 2 months ago? Does anyone else get the feeling Darcy is an automaton? He deals without emotion in a sport ruled by emotion. Think this plays any part in the free agency problems we have experienced over the years and his preference for trades where the player doesn't have a say in the matter? You're being sarcastic, right? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 That is supposed to happen in the OT thread, but sometimes it trickles over here. And expectations may have been bumped up this year by Darcy's own statements that they were going to be a playa and things were going to be different. ... and we believed him why?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Actually, yes - but hear me out. Why expose a player you intend to sign to free agency? Get the deal done when you have exclusive negotiating rights. Competition for services drives up the cost of those services. Sure, free agency could be used to tamp down expectations of a player who has his head in the clouds about his worth on the open market, but do you think that's likely with a guy who spent the entire regular season in the minors? What the frig has Darcy been doing for the past 2 months? How long did it take to put this deal together - 2 minutes? This is the issue I have with DR - he likes playing chicken with semis. In this case, who cares if we lose McCormick, but this same lassez-faire attitude and lack of any urgency to get a deal done before free agency kicked in cost us drury, briere and campbell. Players are people - they want to feel needed. I doubt they feel needed when Darcy takes three months to get back to them about their contract. I was expecting more of a "he's wasting time that should be spent dealing with someone else" type answer. But anyway, I'm not so sure the Drury-Briere-Campbell thing is worth mentioning anymore. They've clearly seen the error of their ways there. The proof comes in the form of the extensions to guys like Miller, Pominville, Hecht, and even the Grier deal a couple weeks back. If they think the player is an important piece, they'll take care of things well ahead of time. You can question their idea of who is important, but not the way the addressed it with those guys. Like you said, who really cares if McCormick gets away. He's a nice bit piece, but not a major cog. He did not deserve the attention that some of the other players I mentioned got. Ultimately, he's right back here, so it worked out in the end. The other thing from your post that I don't completely agree with is the idea that McCormick might not feeling that he's needed. If you look at the thread Bill Hoppe posted, he mentioned that this is the first ever one-way contract that McCormick has ever signed. That has to be a good feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spndnchz Posted July 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Marc Eaton signs 2 year deal worth $2.5 million per with Islanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korab rules Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 I was expecting more of a "he's wasting time that should be spent dealing with someone else" type answer. But anyway, I'm not so sure the Drury-Briere-Campbell thing is worth mentioning anymore. They've clearly seen the error of their ways there. The proof comes in the form of the extensions to guys like Miller, Pominville, Hecht, and even the Grier deal a couple weeks back. If they think the player is an important piece, they'll take care of things well ahead of time. You can question their idea of who is important, but not the way the addressed it with those guys. Like you said, who really cares if McCormick gets away. He's a nice bit piece, but not a major cog. He did not deserve the attention that some of the other players I mentioned got. Ultimately, he's right back here, so it worked out in the end. The other thing from your post that I don't completely agree with is the idea that McCormick might not feeling that he's needed. If you look at the thread Bill Hoppe posted, he mentioned that this is the first ever one-way contract that McCormick has ever signed. That has to be a good feeling. Have they? I am not so sure. If McCormick is so thrilled with a one way contract, wouldn't he have been just as thrilled if it had been offered before free agency opened and we risked losing him? He's a poor example because he is not a major cog, but it seems the same thing happened with Lydman - no contact with DR until just before free agency began, and at that point he is asking for a hometown discount. What if DR tried to extend him in February or May - might he have been more amenable to an additional 2 years for a team he liked then? Where is the incentive to sign a contract when you will be a free agent in two days. It seems that DR is backsliding into his old habits. Lyds is a better example than McCormick. He's not a miller or pommer, but is comparable to a hecht and grier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 I'm not convinced that they had any intention of keeping either of the Lydman-Tallinder combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 Have they? I am not so sure. If McCormick is so thrilled with a one way contract, wouldn't he have been just as thrilled if it had been offered before free agency opened and we risked losing him? He's a poor example because he is not a major cog, but it seems the same thing happened with Lydman - no contact with DR until just before free agency began, and at that point he is asking for a hometown discount. What if DR tried to extend him in February or May - might he have been more amenable to an additional 2 years for a team he liked then? Where is the incentive to sign a contract when you will be a free agent in two days. It seems that DR is backsliding into his old habits. Lyds is a better example than McCormick. He's not a miller or pommer, but is comparable to a hecht and grier. And if you resigned him mid-season, then that limits possibly picking up someone better during free agency. We didn't care if we lost him. While no fan of DR, I think players that he intends to build around have been getting signed midseason lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksabre Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 I'm not convinced that they had any intention of keeping either of the Lydman-Tallinder combo. I said it before either had signed a contract and I still agree with it. If Lyds and Tallinder both stated they wanted to stay here and Darcy didn't bother to sign them, then he never really intended to. I would guess they were both probably willing to take a bit of a discount for the sake of convenience. If that wasn't enough to get Darcy to put a contract down, nothing would be. He wanted some fresh faces and I can't argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biodork Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 I'm not convinced that they had any intention of keeping either of the Lydman-Tallinder combo. I think you're probably right, but if that is the case, why extend an offer at all? It seems like just a way to CYA so he can tell all of us that he tried, but it's insulting to the player when the offer isn't even legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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